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Tonight: The Jefferson-Jackson Dinner

As a reminder, tonight is the Iowa Democratic Party's annual Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, which will feature six presidential candidates — Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd — courting the party activists in the key caucus state.

The event will be shown live on C-Span 1, beginning at 8 p.m. ET.


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The Marist poll of New Hampshire just came out and has Hillary's lead cut in half!

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I want John Edwards to win as he stands as the least conservative of the group of candidates. To me, Hillary appears too much involved with donations from insurance companies and other companies and will not lift a finger to repeal medicare part D and replace it with something better.

I suggest people go to http://progressives.dmocrats.org which will bring you to my plan to take back America.

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Maybe at the Jefferson - Jackson Day dinner, all the assembled Democratic "luminaries" could discuss why the party has abandoned the Constitution and permitted George W. Bush to become a dictator.

Perhaps they could reflect on the fact that more than a year ago, voters gave them control of BOTH house of Congress and a mandate to END THE WAR IN IRAQ.

Maybe they could compare notes and explain why with that mandate they have allowed Bush to escalate the war with 40,000 more troops, with high cost of life and limb of Americans and innocent Iraqis, and billions now trillions of dollars needed for something better than killing people.

Maybe the Democratic party could like at their too cozy relationships with the corporate-profiteering, war mongering status quo, led by the denfense contractors, healthcare and drug companies, banks, WalMart and oil industry.

While they smooze at the open bar, maybe the Democrats will come to recognize that Americans are angry, want their country back aand want to live again in a true Democracy, with compassion, high moral/ethical standards, international cooperation, the rule of law and Constitutional checks and balances.

Maybe the Democrats will realize that every member of Congress up for re-election in 2008 will be challenged in their "safe" party primaries and MOST will not be returned to office.

And FINALLY, maybe they will take a hard, realistic look at the consequences of nominating dishonest, judgment flawed, power hungry, unqualified-except-for-Bill Hillary Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton and will decide we need CHANGE, not a status quo protecting dynasty.

I wish.

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Dear The Liberal Democratic Party of the United States:

Please allow me the pleasure of addressing the popular myth of whether Hillary or Edwards is the most progressive candidate.

You know, we do have the ability to look at both Senator John Edwards’s and Hillary Clinton’s voting records when they were both in the Senate. Although they often voted together along with most other Democrats, there were some times that they disagreed. Let’s look at a few of those times (and these are nearly all of those times that they disagreed on their votes).

From the Senate voting record:

Senator Edwards voted Yes on the 2000 Bankruptcy Act (along with the Republican majority). Senator Hillary Clinton had not been elected yet, but it’s a bill that Bill Clinton vetoed as being “too harsh on America’s poor and middle class families.” It was a precursor to the 2001 Bankruptcy Reform Act (that Edwards also voted Yes on).

On the Wellstone Amendment to the 2001 Bankruptcy Reform Act that would have exempted those made bankrupt due to excessive medical bills, Senator Edwards voted No along with all Senate Republicans. Senator Clinton voted Yes along with most Democrats including Feingold, Boxer, Kennedy, Kerry, and, of course, Wellstone.

On Paul Wellstone’s Amendment to 2001 Bankruptcy Reform Act that would have recalculated the definition of monthly income to the advantage of poor and middle class families, Senator Edwards voted No along with every Republican. Senator Clinton voted Yes along with Boxer, Feingold, Kennedy, Kerry, and Wellstone.

On Paul Wellstone’s 2001 campaign reform Amendment closing the loopholes for allowing for 527 group political TV ads. Ironically, since passage would have prevented the Swift Boaters in 2004, Senator Edwards voted No. Senator Clinton voted Yes on this Amendment.

On Senator Kerry’s amendment that would have provided 2:1 matching funds to Senate campaigns of up to $200, encouraging small donors like most of us are and increasing our contribution power, Senator Edwards voted No. Senator Clinton voted Yes.

Senator Bingaman offered an amendment that would have banned phony negative “attack ads” by requiring that vehicles that ran such ads would have to allow response time. Senator Edwards voted to table this amendment along with nearly every Republican. Senator Clinton voted along with most other liberal Democrats to further this amendment. (It was tabled, that is, killed).

On the initial budget guidelines sought by the Bush administration in 2001 (including his tax cuts), Edwards voted Yes along with every Republican and Zell Miller. Clinton voted No along with the rest of the liberal Democrats.

On Senator Bob Graham’s amendment to this tax cut bill which would have decreased the lower marginal rates for poor and middle class taxpayers, Senator Edwards voted No along with every Republican. Senator Clinton voted Yes along with Feingold, Kennedy, Kerry, Wellstone, and 29 other Democrats.

Senator Feinstein motioned to send the tax cut bill back to the Finance Committee with orders to spread the Estate Tax exemption cuts more fairly. Senator Edwards voted No along with every Republican. Senator Clinton voted Yes along with most Democrats including Boxer, Feingold, Kennedy, and Wellstone.

Senator Wellstone presented an Amendment to No Child Left Behind to prevent it from being an “unfunded mandate.” Senator Edwards voted No along with every Republican. Senator Clinton voted Yes along with 30 other liberal Democrats.

Of course we know the famous Iraq War authorization vote where both Hillary and John agreed with and voted with the Republicans (and many other Democrats for that matter). I just thought you might be interested in a few of the votes where they disagreed on the record – not just from the sidelines where Edwards likes to sit and carp.

The cliché is that you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. These are the facts from the Senate voting records.

John Edwards and his supporters claim that he is the progressive and that Hillary represents the status quo or is just a milder version of a Republican. Read these facts about their head-to-head voting records and be enlightened as to who stood most often with the Republicans and who voted most often with the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. It’s really no contest. Hillary has a 90% lifetime record of voting with the progressive Democrats (the 12th most liberal in the Senate), while Edwards lifetime liberal voting record stands at 78% according to the Americans for Democratic Action progressive voting scores.

Again, now that John Edwards stands outside the Senate he finds it easy to take potshots at Hillary. Oh well, that’s not really so hard to understand - seeing how he opposed her (and most other liberal progressive Dems) quite often when he was the Senator from North Carolina.

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Yes, well Hillary has yet to state in her campaign that she will go to the senate floor and introduce legislation to repeal Medicare Part D and replace it with a drug benefit in part B covering 80 % of all medications with no coverage gap, no premium, no deductible, no means test, no late sign up penalty, and to remove the already existing means test for medicare part B.

Anyone can vote on legislation they see that will never pass the pResident's veto or Republicans filibuster but let Hillary introduce something that puts an end to Big Pharma's stranglehold on the prescription drug benefit and then perhaps I won't view her as a corporatiste.

I suggest people go to http://progressives.dmocrats.org which will bring you to my plan to take back America and pass progressive legislation and put an end to this war in Iraq.

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TLDPOTUS:

Nice dodge. What about their comparative voting records?

I laid out facts. ADA, an unbiased organization that has been ranking such for years, lists Senator Clinton with a 90% lifetime progressive voting record and Edwards with a 78% score lifetime.

I don't know if Hillary shares your deep concern over Medicare Part D, but chances are good that if it would have come to a vote during the time when both Clinton and Edwards were in the Senate, Hillary would be 12% more likely to vote on with the progressive wing of the party on it then Edwards.

Sorry to rain on your chara . . . uh . . . I mean . . . parade.

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Oh, and I missed this one - your laughable dismissal of Hillary standing with the progressive wing of the Democratic Party on every one of the Senate votes I listed:

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"Anyone can vote on legislation they see that will never pass the pResident's veto or Republicans filibuster"

So how does that explain why Edwards chose to vote with the vetoing, filibustering Republicans on each of these votes instead of with Hillary and the rest of the progressive Dems.

Why, I'm sure that Saint John the Do-As-I-Say-Not-As-I-Do Populist's votes had nothing to do with the corporate interests in North Carolina that he might find necessary to court later (or pay back for an earlier campaign donation).

Call me colonpollyanna!

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I sure to hate to see candidates not included in the JJ Day festivities, especially Dennis Kucinich.

As time goes on in this campaign I find myself drawn to the "fringes": Dennis Kucinich on one hand and Ron Paul on the other. Maybe it is because they don't parse every statement and appear to be both honest and passionate in their beliefs. Neither one has to tap dance around debate questions -- they believe what they believe and say the same thing to all audiences.

I'm sick of be careful what you say politics. How about some say what you mean politics for a change.

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Have the top three---Hillary, Obama, and Edwards ever taken a stand regarding the death penalty? Maybe it does not matter.

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That was some entrance by Obama. 5.5 couples----Bill is---out going door to door?

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colonpowwow:

I've been trying to put a name to a fallacy of critical thinking that I see used quite often by naderites (assuming there actually are more than one) on the liberal boards. Basically it works like this: when they find a politician guilty of ideological impurity but are unable to make any real substantive argument against that person based on anything they have ever actually said or done, rather than even try they just start picking things they haven't done out of thin air.

Since the set of things that one person can do is obviously finite, whereas the set of all possible things that a person hypothetically could do isn't, there's always a literally endless supply of the latter to choose. It's really a pretty clever scam that I'm sure it works well on a lot of people.

Anyway, most logically fallacies have been around so long that the ancient Greeks and Romans had names for them. I started learning to identify them when I used to go around arguing politics with right-wingers a lot and I still keep a couple of web sites that catalog them bookmarked. But so far I have been unable to track down a name for that one. Obviously it's a fallacy of misdirection of some kind, akin to the straw man, cherry picking or simply changing the subject but that's about as far as I've been able to pin it down. I was just wondering if maybe you knew what it was called.

PS: Unless I am missing something, Hillary Clinton's lifetime ADA score so far would be 96%, not 90%.

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CalD wrote on November 11, 2007 12:39 AM:

"PS: Unless I am missing something, Hillary Clinton's lifetime ADA score so far would be 96%, not 90%."

I stand corrected. I usually understate the number to deflect nitpickers as "90% plus" - and I must have fallen in love with this number.

Another thing we are both missing is the response from Edwards supporters explaining why, on nearly every progressive piece of legislation that they disagreed per their Senate votes, Edwards voted with the Republicans and Hillary voted with the Democratic liberals.

But I'm sure John the Pure had no irons in the fire with corporate financial interests (see Charlotte, NC) that donated to his campaign, or that he may have been suffering from political/electability concerns trumping ethical considerations.

Call me colonpollyanna!

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OK, well certainly I wouldn't want to get you in any trouble with the nitpickers so in the interest of full disclosure, I was rounding up from 95.83% when I said 96%. You might want call it 95%+ instead.

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