It's time to make Lower Canada a reality. Who's with me?

Why did you not include her reply to Tancredo? Here's that part of the exchange:

"Do you take us for idiots, for people who have no appreciation of our history?" she asked. "Perhaps you don't have an understanding of your country right now, of its composition."

Tancredo repeatedly broke in, asking Elhamoumi to pose a question. He finally asked her a question of his own: "Do you believe that we should replace the Constitution with Sharia law?"

"That is below me," Elhamoumi replied. "Do not belittle people's opinions and people's beliefs and people's religions. Do not put one religion above the other."

It is worth mentioning that she didn't say "no". So I take it that she can't answer the question without making some equivocation about her opinion for Sharia law. I don't think its bigotry to claim that anyone who believes any religious body of law should have any bearing on public policy is a threat to the country. They can have religious motives for the policies they advocate but to say they should be policies by virtue of being God-ordained is unacceptable.

Hitchens caught flak for this when he saif Roberts shouldn't be confirmed because in stead of saying the Constitution would rule his decisions he said he would recuse himself if he had to make a decision that wou;d conflict with his Catholicism. I think Hitchens was right on the mark.

Either subjegate your religious beliefs to secular law or you're a threat to the Constitution.

Bill C: I think the implied completion of the statement "That is below me" is something along the lines of "I will not dignify that with a response."

Also, Tancredo's question posits a straw man. Does anyone actually believe that a non-negligible number of U.S. Muslims wants to institute Sharia?

It is clear that the GOP are hanging their collective hat on immigration. They are sitting poorly on every other campaign issue, so expect a litany of all Hillary and all scary foreign devils.

I do not agree for i believe Ron Paul has addressed many issues on the Republican party of what a true Patriot and man of the people really is.

Maybe you should look up Dr. Ron Pauls views on these issues including freedom of relegion.

Immigration is not our biggest problem securing our borders is a huge problem.

Ronpaul2008.com

Michael I apply the same logic to people of all religions and I think that was obvious in my post. I am not an angry white guy, I am someone who deeply values secularism and I deeply hate (yes hate) people who even have the audacity to think that their "sky-wizard delusion" (well put tekel) has any kind of equivalence with the US Constitution. Religious people once in power have a none too good record or treating people well.

And yes I do believe that a non-negligible percentage of the Muslim population wants to implement sharia law. It is the attitude that prevails everywhere in the Middle East in the US and I see no reason to believe that by virtue of being here Islam will somehow transform itself into an ideology that will be amenable to Western democracy, and I regard political Islam as the foulest ideology now in existence, and religious sentiment as the foulest form of intellectual filth generally.

In the United States a majority of Christians don't even accept the separation of church and state, why would Muslims be any better. Look at the violent, repressive, and insular communities they form in England, the Netherlands, France, Germany, and Lansing Michigan. I should qualify that my threshold fr determining what constitutes violence is pretty low. Putting a woman in a burkha qualifies in my mind and I want no attempt made to reconcile our (if you believe such a thing as Western values exists) values with such as those. I don't want that tolerated. I want it scorned mocked and derided.

One other question. Is Ayaan Hirsi Ali and angry white guy?

LA VOZ DE AZTLAN
Los Angeles, Alta California
September 6, 2007

Tom Tancredo was excluded from military
service because of "mental illness"

In 1970, during the Vietnam War, the US Selective Service System
classified the congressman from Colorado with a 1-Y status because of
his history of mental illness. Tancredo is a candidate for US president
and is a fanatical supporter of the Minutemen vigilantes.

During his present campaign for US president, Tancredo has
expressed certain ideas that border on the insane. Among the most
bizarre of his proposals is to drop nuclear bombs on the Islamic Holy
cities of Mecca and Medina.

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Wake up America! AT least Tom Tancredo has the guts to speak the truth. Shame on our government for allowing the open borders. When your sons and daughters are blown up in the next 9/11 which is going to happen soon, remember who had the guts to tell you so....Tom Tancredo. www.teamtancredo.org and Think TANC! God Bless Tom!

I get Tancredo google alerts and according to everyone but this post that is not the way it went down at all.

Our forefathers came to America from a country that had an established religion, The Church of England. Many came due to religious persecution and a desire to worship as they saw fit. Many of the colonies, therefore, were founded due to religious reasons.

Since our founding fathers were keenly aware of this, the first amendment to the constitution does say, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." However, the phrase 'separation of church and state' is not in the constitution, Bill Of Rights, or any amendment.

Below are some quotes from our founding fathers. From what they said, it's safe to say that they didn't see "religious sentiment as the foulest form of intellectual filth generally" or as a "sky-wizard delusion."

1. During the Constitutional Convention in 1787, the delegates were at an impasse over a difficult provision in the proposed Constitution. Benjamin Franklin, the oldest delegate there, rose and suggested that the Convention pray for guidance. He said, "the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this Truth - that God governs in the Affairs of Men."

2. (The Declaration of Independence) stands, and must forever stand, alone, a beacon on the summit of the mountain, to which all the inhabitants of the Earth may turn their eyes for a genial and saving light till time shall be lost in eternity, and this globe itself dissolve, nor leave a wreck behind. It stands forever, a light of admonition to the rulers of men, a light of salvation and redemption to the oppressed . . . (as the delineation of) the boundaries of their respective rights and duties, founded in the laws of nature and of nature's God." -- John Quincy Adams, 1821 (president #2)

3. "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?" --Thomas Jefferson (writer of Declaration of Independence, president #3)

4. "The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources nor adapted with too much
solicitude to the different characters and capacities impressed with it." -- James Madison (signer of Declaration of Independence, had influence on writing of constitution, president #4

5. "It is impiously irritating the avenging hand of Heaven, when a people who are in the full enjoyment of freedom, launch out into the wide ocean of human affairs, and desert those maxims which alone can preserve liberty." --Patrick Henry

6. "Every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience." --George Washington
(general/Revolutionary War, President #1)

There are many other quotes referencing God made by many of our founding fathers, as well as by presidents from George Washington to George Bush. Does your hate extend to these people, too?

Lastly, I know there have been bad things done in the name of religion, but there's also been much good done. (charity work, disaster relief, etc.) Unfortunately, 'bad stuff' too often accompanies 'good stuff,' but that isn't true only in regards to religion.