Well, it's not quite so outrageous as somebody along the lines of the governor of California making a similar claim... All the same, um, hehe. Oh, Rudy. He tries so hard to run the "textbook" campaign the Clinton campaign is succeeding with (but, ya know, the Republican edition), and yet comes off so awkward in so doing. I really hope he gets nominated. Lord knows the fun we'll have with Giuliani going up to a general election. I feel as though he has the capacity only to become more absurd.

Looks like fascist RG has Rove writing stuff for him, so glad Karl is not unemployed. Seriously this seems to be typical repub sound bytes (from the huge disinfo attack machine they run) to me, maybe though this time around the crapola is not so believable!! I hope.

You can't have it both ways.

You are either FOR the rule of law or you are AGAINST the rule of law.

If it is a BAD law, then there are lawful and democratic procedures by which the BAD law can be replaced by a GOOD law.

But as it stands, there is a reason that ILLEGAL immigration is, well, illegal.

I would never vote for Rudy, but all he is saying here is that he would enforce the laws of the United States of America as they currently stand. So its a flip-flop, but he's flopped on the side of the law. What is the big deal?

Mimoemo~

It's illegal, too, to watch a whole lot of what's on YouTube, illegal to sleep with your significant other outside of the missionary (in many states), illegal for Amish not to pay your taxes. These are a few laws that exist but aren't enforced because it would be absurd and generally against common interest to do so. I can make you a guarantee that you're technically guilty of several felonies. If you really want the law to be enforced as written and, as in the case of immigration, cripple our economy, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

Personally, I think that if a law doesn't seem to make sense in its current context. I understand that in my home state of North Dakota it's still legal to shoot and kill Native people if they're standing armed in a group of six or more and you're in a covered wagon. Obviously this wasn't quite meant to apply to today. Our laws on immigration are unquestionably outdated but until they get fixed, enforcing them is impractical (yes, we spend a lot of money on immigrants illegally in this country, but it'd be a helluva lot more expensive to keep them out of this country and they bring a lot of productivity into our economy) and immoral.

What Seth H. said.

I really have to wonder how many of those screaming their heads off about "illegal means illegal" can honestly claim never to have broken a speed limit or never to have evaded taxes, and would be happy to have the full rigor of the law enforced against their children if they drink underage or smoke marijuana.

Do not, repeat, do not root for Rudy to win the nomination. You do not really want the GOP's Rove/Cheney Fear Fascism to morph into all fascism all the time. Many mainstream business-head Republicans are not on board with the hijacking of the GOP, but you will never peel them away from voting party line. Most country club Republicans suspect that Thompson, Romney and McCain are just lying about being neocons and anti-privacy in order to become President, so voting for them is not an endorsement of the New American Century project. Don't root for them to have to vote for Rudy. Force them to defend the indefensible and they will--forever.

Steve,

I can't speak for Seth, but what I am objecting to is the simplistic "for or against the rule of law" rhetoric with the implication that any attempt to deal with facts on the ground is "against the rule of law". We make choices about what laws to obey and to enforce ALL the time. Universal enforcement is a Benthamite fiction.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't have immigration laws (I agree with you), nor that we should just give up enforcing them because they are often ignored.

But it does mean that "illegal is illegal" is arrant nonsense that just delays the moment when we can have a real discussion about our society's priorities with regard to immigration.

" I Will End Illegal Immigration"

Yeah, when Republicans (uh, pigs) fly.

I think you meant to say: What's amusing about this, of course, is that back when Rudy had the "security of 8 million people" on his shoulders (not soldiers)

Damn this system that won't remember personal info...

I thought only Mitt's shoulders were media-cleared for cargo and national defense purposes!

That mailing is almost criminal in itself when he says he had the weight of 8 million people on his shoulders and was being constantly tested and that gives him credibility.
I wonder how those who advised him not to put the Command Centre in Tower 7 yet he did it anyway feel about his credibility when he just recently denied anyone told him anything.
Or how about having him wait 7 years until he replaced the firemen's radios that didn't work during the first attack, to find the new ones were untested and just arrived one day through a no bid contract and failed. They were replaced with the old ones a week later,and theyhad o use the broken ones again on 9/11? Or how about finding out that 343 firefighters died because they couldn't hear the orders to evacuate while not one policeman was lost that day because their radios did work, and he tried to spin it that the firefighters were lost because they disobeyed their commanders. Or how about when firefighters protested that they wanted to continue looking for their fallen when Rudy ordered the remains to be scooped and taken to the dump, he had the protesting firefighters arrested! Yeh........Rudy has shown his true colours and they are not patriotic ones. I recently found two websites all about Rudy..."the real rudy" and Rudy-Urban Legend" They have lots of videos up by firefighters and their families who are not impressed with Rudy's leadership skills.

Subject: Fwd: FW: Best Editorial on Illegal Immigration

Let's say I break into your house

A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials
in ages!!! It explains things better than all
the baloney you hear on TV.

Her point:

Recently large demonstrations have taken place
across the country protesting the fact that Congress
is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that
the US might protect its own
borders, might make it harder
to sneak into this country and,
once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand
the thinking behind these protests.
Let's say I break into your house.
Let's say that when you discover
me in your house, you insist that I leave.


But I say, "No! I like it here.
It’s better than my house. I've made all
the beds and washed the
dishes and did the laundry
and swept the floors. I've
done all the things you don't
like to do. I'm hard-working
and honest
(except for when I broke into your house).

However; according to the protesters:

You are Required to let me stay in your house
You are Required to feed me
You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
You are Required to Educate my kids
You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because
he is also hard-working and honest, except for that
breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out,
I will call my friends who will picket your
house carrying signs that proclaim my
RIGHT to be there.

It's only fair, after all, you have
a nicer house than I do, and I'm just
trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working
and honest, person, except for well,
you know, I did break into your house
And what a deal it is for me!!!



I live in your house, contributing only a
fraction of the cost of my keep, and
there is nothing you can do about it
without being accused of cold,

uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and
bigoted behavior.


Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you learn
MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can
communicate with me.


Why can't people see how ridiculous
this is?! Only in America .

If you agree, pass it on (in English ).
Share it if you see the value of it.

If not ~ blow it off.........
along with your future Social Security
funds, and a lot of other things.

Hey! You go Rudy. Lets get rid off those damned furinners. Starting with the Irish. Then the Russians,they are all mobbed up anyway. I think the Poles should be next. Let the tide of right(white?) roll across America. America for Americans. Damned furinners
footsore

So Rudy is going to stop illegal immigration.
I guess he might stop illegal use of drugs and stop violence in Iraq whilst he's at it.
And if he could stop illegal immigration... how much would it cost?
I think it's important to remember that all wars are expensive including those on illegal immigration and Rudy's not talking about funding this war with his own money.