Pelosi: Hillary Camp Playing The Gender Card
Here's another voice in the debate about whether the Hillary Clinton campaign has been playing the gender card. Nancy Pelosi, the first female Speaker of the House, told ABC News that she thinks the Hillary campaign is in fact doing it.
"I think the campaign is trying to take advantage of another — probably people who didn't even watch the debate, to say, 'Oh, they were really rude,' or something like that, and that has some salience," Pelosi said. "You know, every vote counts."
Comments (44)
Michael wrote on November 5, 2007 5:28 PM:Oh, Oh. Now are the long knives going to come out after pelosi? But, she's a repuke talking head, right?
Keith wrote on November 5, 2007 5:40 PM:Is it safe to say that Pelosi won't be endorsing Hillary Clinton in this election?
NCSteve wrote on November 5, 2007 5:42 PM:"But, she's a repuke talking head, right?"
According to ABC, she is. They have her as "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, R-Calif.," in the story. Apparently, they still haven't emotionally accepted the results of the last midterm over at Halparinville.
Pelosi said that she won't be endorsing anybody during the primary season, due to her position as a leader of the whole party in the House.
Michael wrote on November 5, 2007 5:44 PM:NCSteve, you're kidding right. ABC hasn't totally turned into fox yet, has it?
Keith wrote on November 5, 2007 5:50 PM:Eric:
That was pure snark.
Eric Kleefeld wrote on November 5, 2007 5:54 PM:Heh. I've been working too hard.
One thing that's odd, though, is that Pelosi had no problem endorsing Dick Gephardt during the 2004 cycle, when she was Minority Leader.
hadenough wrote on November 5, 2007 5:55 PM:In the 2 clipped quotes in that article Pelosi does not say anything about playing the gender card. Maybe the headline writer and kleefeld should have read the article.
Anyway playing cards would be terrible. Only a filthy creep would play a card:
“Now, I’ve heard some folks say, ‘Yeah, he talks good. I like his wife. He’s got some pretty children, but you know we’re just not sure that America is ready for an African-American president,’” Obama told the crowd of about 800. “You’re hearing the same voices you heard 50 years ago. ‘Maybe it’s not time yet, maybe it’s better to wait.’ So I just want ya’all to be clear; I would not be running if I were not confident I was going to win.”
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26511
hadenough:
Do you know what it means to play a card? He's not trying to rebut an attack by claim that the questions are because of his race; he's talking about what some people say about his candidacy. Hell, I've read that on TPM's comment sections.
When he says that people's questions on his energy policy are discriminatory, then you'll have an argument that he's playing the race card. Until then, you are just trying to muddy the water and deflect attention from HRC's attempt to have it both ways (HRC says she isn't playing the victim; her campaign says that she is the victim).
It speaks to Clinton's pre-debate strength that she has slipped so much in the polls since then, but that she still is clearly ahead. Also, a new general election poll has her comfortably ahead of Giuliani.
hadenough wrote on November 5, 2007 6:24 PM:"Keith wrote on November 5, 2007 6:03 PM:
hadenough:
Do you know what it means to play a card?"
Lets see. I read the abc article above where Pelosi never mentions the gender and read the obama quote where obama mentions his race.
I think I 'understand' now. Hillary not playing the gender card is Hillary playing the gender card and obama playing the race card is obama not playing the race card.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Keith wrote on November 5, 2007 6:30 PM:Mentioning race or gender is not playing the card, in and of itself. In Obama's case, he's talking about what others have said about his candidacy (namely that people aren't ready for an African-American president). He's not making an appeal to vote for him because of his race. If he were saying that people aren't supporting him because of his race, then I think you would have an argument.
In HRC's case, her campaign is making the case that sexism was what drove the questions at the debate. That is playing the gender card.
If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
Liberal Larry wrote on November 5, 2007 6:32 PM:Bush-Lite and her K Street allies want special treatment.
Jeremy wrote on November 5, 2007 6:47 PM:hadenough. Obama was responding to people that say his race will hurt him in the general election in your quote where he mentions his race. Hillary was responding to criticisms of her views on Iran and Social Security with the whole gender sympathy ploy that's backfiring on her because it's offending so many women. Get it?
Jeremy wrote on November 5, 2007 6:53 PM:Daniel. You're right. She has a cushion in the Dem primary campaign. With half the country's mind made up against her, she won't have this luxury in the general election. Given her debate stumbles and her campaign's post-debate bumbling, which seems to get worse every day, I think that Dems who have bought the "inevitability" and "disciplined campaign" stuff really ought to start to reconsider. A candidate that had a real platform to run on other than her secret experience would not have had to get this desperate in post-debate spin, but it's hard to have message discipline when you don't have a message.
hadenough wrote on November 5, 2007 6:56 PM:"Jeremy wrote on November 5, 2007 6:47 PM:
hadenough. Obama was responding to people that say his race will hurt him in the general election in your quote where he mentions his race."
That's a speech:
"Obama tackles race question
MANNING, SC -- On the steps of the Clarendon County Courthouse, in a speech that was supposed to be about reforming the American education system, Obama instead gave an impassioned plea on why a black man could be president of the United States of America."
"Hillary was responding to criticisms of her views on Iran and Social Security with the whole gender sympathy ploy that's backfiring on her because it's offending so many women."
Hillary never said gender had anything to do with the lies and smears edwards and obama used.
"Get it?"
Yes. Other than the fact you are at best clueless and more likely a hack you are definitely in the tank.
Anonymous wrote on November 5, 2007 7:01 PM:Hillary never said gender had anything to do with the lies and smears edwards and obama used.
Can you elaborate on the lies and smears? I don't recall them lying about her or smearing her.
And if her campaign is making the argument, isn't she making the argument?
Richard L. Adlof wrote on November 5, 2007 7:44 PM:Let's see . . . Edwards & Obama said Clinton gleefully takes PACT$ . . . Clinton does and says so . . . So that is an obvious lie by Edwards & Obama.
Let's see . . . Edwards & Obama said Clinton has the most war-like voting record . . . Clinton does and denies it . . . So that is an obvious lie by Edwards & Obama.
The rest of the evidence is equally overwhelming . . .
hadenough wrote on November 5, 2007 7:50 PM:"Anonymous wrote on November 5, 2007 7:01 PM:
I don't recall them lying about her or smearing her."
What a surprise.
Obama's Transparency Hypocrisy
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26512
Edwards Offers his Own 'Double-Speak'
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26510
There is a lot more. Look around Marsh's site. Anyway it's a long movie and are way past the middle of it, but maybe if you start paying attention now you can catch up.
Anonymous wrote on November 5, 2007 8:10 PM:I've seen the stuff on Taylor Marsh's website. You said they were lying and smearing HRC. This stuff, doesn't say they are lying or smearing her--it suggests they are being hypocritical in their criticisms. And that's being generous. The stuff on Obama is pure subterfuge. There is no Illinois Senate Papers Act; so it's not an apples to apples comparison. Plus his Illinois and US senate record are public. The same, at this point, can't be said about HRC's policy role in the Clinton White House. A
President Clinton has the authority (44 USC 2204(a)) to set the time his records are withheld--he selected the maximum permitted under the PRA (12 years).
So again, how are they lying or smearing her?
party-of-one wrote on November 5, 2007 8:14 PM:Hadenough continues to spin Hillary's innocence on the "gender card." It's more accurately the "victim card", poor little Hillary and those mean ol' men. But in final analysis, you can't believe anything Hillary says, because if it'c convenient and she calculates an advantage, she'll say exactly the opposite tomorrow.
Here are a few of my favorite Hillary on gender quotes.
"I'm not some Tammy Wynette standing by my man"
"And what in my background equips me to deal with evil and bad men?"
"In the Bible it says they asked Jesus how many times you should forgive, and he said 70 times 7. Well, I want you all to know that I'm keeping a chart."
"For 15 years, I have stood up against the Right Wing machine, and I've come out stronger, so if you want a winner who knows how to take them on, I'm your girl."
CNN: [At Wellesley on November 1], Clinton seemed to allude to sharp attacks from Democratic rivals in [October 30's debate] showdown, telling the enthusiastic crowd, “in so many ways, this all women’s college prepared me compete in the all boys’ club of presidential politics.”
The New York senator’s comment came as aides told The Washington Post the criticism directed against her could attract more women voters. The paper quoted one adviser as saying, ‘Ultimately, it was six guys against her, and she came off as one strong woman."
More from Hillary at Wellesley:
“One of my friends said, ‘Professor So-and-So, this is Hillary Rodham, she’s trying to decide between us and our nearest competitor,’” Mrs. Clinton said. “And he looked down at me, and he said: ‘Well, first, we don’t have a nearest competitor. And secondly, we don’t need any more women.’” There were loud gasps from the audience. “So,” Mrs. Clinton said when the gasps had died down, “I decided to go to Yale.” The crowd broke into laughter and applause.
Anyone taking odds on whether that exchange ever happened. Ranks right up there with being named after explorer Edmund Hilary, whom her mother so much admired, and Chelsea's morning jog around the World Trade Center on September 11th.
hadenough
Taylor Marsh failed to include the UPDATES from Lynn Sweets blog on transparency:
MONDAY UPDATE
“Every document that the State of Illinois considers to be a matter of public record is available directly from the state," LaBolt said in response to the question about where Obama took his state senate papers when his office was packed up after he was elected to the U.S. Senate. LaBolt declined, again, to say where Obama is storing his--not the State of Illinois--state senate records. END UPDATE
SECOND MONDAY UPDATE
"Every one of Obama's State Senate records that the State of Illinois considers to be a public document is available directly from the state," LaBolt said. END SECOND UPDATE
hadenough
Your statements are misleading. Do you have a quote from Barack about why a 'black' man should be President?
What you posted from Manning SC. is how a reporter characterized his speech. You provide no text of the speech itself.
Do you have a DIRECT quote from Obama saying any such thing?
hadenough wrote on November 5, 2007 9:12 PM:party-of-one,
"Anyone taking odds on whether that exchange ever happened."
Are you saying the Hillary quote is fake? I don't think so. In fact I think there is video around. Pretty hard to fake that. Anyway, For me personally I have no probelm with what Hillary said at Wellesley and agree mostly with What Digby Said:
"Hillary goes to her alma mater and says that her education at the women's college prepared her to do battle with the political boys club and the gasbags' eyes roll back in their heads and they start drooling and whining that she's broken the rules."
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/lets-see-what-youve-got-babe-by-digby.html
I have no problem with that. How about you? I have no problem with obama appearing in front of a black audence and pointing out he's black. No problem. Here is what bothers me:
SEN. OBAMA: No, look, I don't think that people doubt that Senator Clinton is tough. She's used to playing in national politics. And, in fact, that is one of the things that she has suggested is why she should be elected is because she's been playing in this rough-and- tumble stage. So it doesn't make sense for her, after having run that way for eight months, the first time that people start challenging her point of view, that suddenly she backs off and says, "Don't pick on me."
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/obama_to_clinton_i_dont_play_r.html
That never happened. obama made it up [If he said that in my neighborhood we'd call him a liar]. That bothers me. He is being crushed. He is in a tough spot. So he lies and worse. That bothers me.
The rest of Diby's post is pretty good except she leaves out the part about obama and edwards smearing and lying about a possible dem candidate for pres.
hadenough wrote on November 5, 2007 9:25 PM:"savvy wrote on November 5, 2007 9:03 PM:
hadenough
Do you have a DIRECT quote from Obama saying any such thing?"
Yes I do. It's in the comment above. See the part with quotes '"' around it. That means that's what obama said. Glad I could help out.
And again nothing wrong with that. It's the part where obama lies and smears because he is being crushed. [See other post above for obama's lying and smearing]
CalD wrote on November 5, 2007 9:29 PM:Ah, Mrs. Pelosi. Succinct as always. In her defense though, it does appear that ABC mischaracterized the only statements of hers that they quoted. In the first, Pelosi actually seems to be making the opposite point, i.e., that Clinton isn't playing any gender card...
"[Sen. Clinton] said it best: They're 'piling on' -- or whatever the words were -- 'because I'm the front-runner.' That's why they're piling on," said Pelosi.
Of course being Nancy Pelosi she can't can't resist muddling that up a little with a tangential off-hand comment at the end...
"If she was in third place, they wouldn't say, 'Let's go attack a woman.'"
...and people wonder how Democrats in congress keep getting handed their asses in every PR battles against the Republicans. But note that while that sentence did include the word "woman," there's still no implication that Clinton is playing a gender card. So that must have been in the second quote then, the same one that Eric called out above.
"I think the campaign is trying to take advantage of another -- probably people who didn't even watch the debate, to say, 'Oh, they were really rude,' or something like that, and that has some salience,"
Hmmm. Nope. There again, she seems to be actually ruling out a gender card if anything, suggesting that instead, the Clinton campaign might be playing the, "Oh, they were really rude" card. So that obviously wasn't it either. Guess the "gender card" accusation had to be the third and final quote then.
"You know, every vote counts."
?!?!? OK, WTF? How the hell do you manage to make the leap from anything that article quoted Nancy Pelosi as saying to the headline of the article: "Pelosi: Clinton Camp Played Gender Card"? I want to give them the benefit of the doubt but it's extremely difficult to look at that and conclude anything other than purposeful distortion.
John McCutchen wrote on November 5, 2007 9:34 PM:Nancy didn't fall off the turnip truck last night either!
That's my congresswoman!
I actually can't tell if ABC's headline was accurate. The key paragraphs seem to be these:
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, R-Calif., said Monday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., hasn't been treated differently because she's the only woman in the presidential race, but added that her campaign appears to have been trying to exploit that perception in the wake of last week's Democratic debate.
...
But in distributing a Web video splicing together her opponents' attacks her campaign appears to be exploiting perceptions of Clinton facing down a field of aggressive male challengers, Pelosi said."
Both of those paragraphs claim that Pelosi said what is contained within the paragraph without a direct quote. But if those are accurate paraphrases, then it is fair to claim that Pelosi suggested that Clinton was "playing the gender card". But I know better than to assume those were in fact accurate paraphrases.
Anonymous wrote on November 5, 2007 9:58 PM:SEN. OBAMA: No, look, I don't think that people doubt that Senator Clinton is tough. She's used to playing in national politics. And, in fact, that is one of the things that she has suggested is why she should be elected is because she's been playing in this rough-and- tumble stage. So it doesn't make sense for her, after having run that way for eight months, the first time that people start challenging her point of view, that suddenly she backs off and says, "Don't pick on me."
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/obama_to_clinton_i_dont_play_r.html
That never happened. obama made it up [If he said that in my neighborhood we'd call him a liar]. That bothers me. He is being crushed. He is in a tough spot. So he lies and worse. That bothers me.
This isn't a lie. HRC and her campaign made a very concerted effort to characterize the debate as people "piling on", "6 versus 1", etc. Maybe she didn't use the exact words "Don't pick on me", but that was the connotation of her and her campaigns words.
And before you say when, I'm talking about HillaryHub.com (before and after the debate, Mark Penn (memos and conference call), the endosement speech from the Iowa Union (I'm drawing a blank on the initials AFAM?), and most recently Ms. Ferraro.
At bottom, you can't point to an untrue statement he made about her doing or after the debate. Just more obfuscation to distract from the fact that she's being called on her nuanced and parsed positions, and general unwillingness to give a straight answer.
onceler wrote on November 5, 2007 10:03 PM:hm, yeah, the headline is somewhat misleading, and Pelosi is saying a couple of different things. she's saying that Hillary herself is correct in saying that the "pile on" (which is a gross exaggeration of what happened in the first place) was because she's ahead, for whatever reasons. Pelosi is familiar enough with politics to know that this BS narrative of sexism is also coming from Hillary too at the source, and its ridiculous to pretend otherwise (which she is definitely doing) so she's giving a more subtle rebuke to HRC's camp that what they're doing is both obvious and stupid. my take anyways.
savvy wrote on November 5, 2007 10:05 PM:had enough
there are no quotes around text/words spoken by Obama.
you have quotes around a reporters statemtent.
Can you provide a link or text of Obama's stated words?
CalD wrote on November 5, 2007 10:08 PM:DTM: I'm gonna have to say that if ABC has from anything Pelosi that supports their characterization of what she told them said any better than the quotes they ran that appear to pretty unambiguously say the opposite, they'd better be rolling that out or else rewriting their lede and their headline. Because like I said, from where I sit it's very hard to look at what they quote Pelosi as saying in contrast to their characterization of her remarks and conclude anything other than purposeful distortion -- although I guess in fairness, journalistic sloppiness unbecoming a high school newspaper might be another possibility.
BTW I finally stared at that one Pelosi remark that I couldn't quite make sense of the first time I read it ("If she was in third place, they wouldn't say, 'Let's go attack a woman.'") long enough to realize the point she was trying to get across was that if Clinton were in third place, she'd still be a woman but no one would be attacking her. IOW, she's just restating they're attacking Clinton because she's in first place, not because she's a woman. Ergo, no "gender card."
Behold our political press corp. Yikes. Someone should write their ombudsman.
hadenough wrote on November 5, 2007 10:13 PM:"savvy wrote on November 5, 2007 10:05 PM:
had enough
there are no quotes around text/words spoken by Obama.
you have quotes around a reporters statemtent.
Can you provide a link or text of Obama's stated words?"
Now I'm confused. Check this comment above:
"hadenough wrote on November 5, 2007 5:55 PM:"
There is a quote from obama. There is a link to the speech obama gave. Do you think a reporter was saying this:
"‘Maybe it’s not time yet, maybe it’s better to wait.’ So I just want ya’all to be clear; I would not be running if I were not confident I was going to win."
That's from my 5:55 comment above with quotes and a link. The whole shebang. I'dontknow maybe you can't see the 5:55 comment above? Is that it? If so here is the link that the obama quote above came from:
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26511
If there is no link directly above this text you might have somebody look at your computer.
Hadenough:
Obama isn't playing the race card and your tired efforts to demonstrate that he is are falling flat.
Talking about his race, especially in the context which you insist on quoting, is not playing the race card, no matter how much you want it to be. If Hillary was arguing that people were saying that she couldn't be elected because she was a woman, she too would not be playing the gender card.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_card
By extension, HRC and her campaign ARE playing the victim/gender card. They are trying to imply that the questions or actions of the moderators/candidates were sexist.
Marc wrote on November 5, 2007 10:52 PM:She's going to be the president.
hadenough wrote on November 5, 2007 11:02 PM:"Anonymous wrote on November 5, 2007 10:46 PM:
Hadenough:
Obama isn't playing the race card and your tired efforts to demonstrate that he is are falling flat."
Wrong. Your tired efforts cliaming Hilarry played gender are goofy. obama is a liar as demonstrated above. Maybe he always has been a liar or maybe he just cracked under the pressure. Either way there he is. That is what I demonstrated.
"By extension, HRC and her campaign ARE playing the victim/gender card."
Now I see where I went wrong. Hillary wasn't playing the gender card, she was playing the victim/gender card. Ooooh Kaaaay.
mkolb wrote on November 5, 2007 11:06 PM:What are you people going to be doing if Sen. Clinton is the Democratic nominee?
Will you be going fishing, taking some courses, working for Giuliani? I'm thinking that TPM is going to be a pretty quiet place.
Desider wrote on November 6, 2007 2:54 AM:
Okay, here's Obama's "race card", and note even though I think the logic here is foolish (his understanding of the world is better than mine because his grandmother's in Africa?), it doesn't bother me he said it.
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Obama stopped picking at his grilled salmon in order to stare out at the sky for a few moments. "I think," he said, in that deep and measured voice of his, "that if you can tell people, 'We have a president in the White House who still has a grandmother living in a hut on the shores of Lake Victoria and has a sister who's half-Indonesian, married to a Chinese-Canadian,' then they're going to think that he may have a better sense of what's going on in our lives and in our country. And they'd be right."
sorry - how bouts a correction ? - it was abc that was making this up -
Because there's nothing like a manufactured "catfight," complete with vile accompanying images. (Can you imagine a disagreement between male politicians being shown as a head-to-head with a male symbol in between them?!)
ABC News' headline screams Pelosi: Clinton Camp Played Gender Card, yet the content of the article and Pelosi's quotes say nothing of the sort:
Pelosi, the nation's first female House speaker, told ABCNEWS.com in an interview that she didn't agree with observers who thought Clinton was drawing particular heat because she's a woman.
"[Sen. Clinton] said it best: They're 'piling on' -- or whatever the words were -- 'because I'm the front-runner.' That's why they're piling on," said Pelosi. "If she was in third place, they wouldn't say, 'Let's go attack a woman.'"
"I think the campaign is trying to take advantage of another -- probably people who didn't even watch the debate, to say, 'Oh, they were really rude,' or something like that, and that has some salience," said Pelosi...
So let me get this straight. Pelosi said she didn't think Clinton was "piled on" because she was a woman and that her campaign is trying to paint the opposition as "rude," and somehow that translates into her accusing Clinton of playing the gender card?!
tim l wrote on November 6, 2007 3:31 AM:Because there's nothing like a manufactured "catfight," complete with vile accompanying images. (Can you imagine a disagreement between male politicians being shown as a head-to-head with a male symbol in between them?!)
ABC News' headline screams Pelosi: Clinton Camp Played Gender Card, yet the content of the article and Pelosi's quotes say nothing of the sort:
Pelosi, the nation's first female House speaker, told ABCNEWS.com in an interview that she didn't agree with observers who thought Clinton was drawing particular heat because she's a woman.
"[Sen. Clinton] said it best: They're 'piling on' -- or whatever the words were -- 'because I'm the front-runner.' That's why they're piling on," said Pelosi. "If she was in third place, they wouldn't say, 'Let's go attack a woman.'"
"I think the campaign is trying to take advantage of another -- probably people who didn't even watch the debate, to say, 'Oh, they were really rude,' or something like that, and that has some salience," said Pelosi...
So let me get this straight. Pelosi said she didn't think Clinton was "piled on" because she was a woman and that her campaign is trying to paint the opposition as "rude," and somehow that translates into her accusing Clinton of playing the gender card?!
Ruth Bethinger wrote on November 6, 2007 3:49 AM:I am sorry that there is still confusion over this, but I hope I can help. As a woman, I find it dishonest for Sen. Clinton's campaign to claim that the others are being sexist in their questioning of her policies and campaign tactics. I believe the questions at the debate were completely fair, and that is the sort of thing we the voters need to see to help pick our candidate.
Whether a "card" was played is irrelevant - the question is of whether the characterization was fair. In the case of Obama as quoted above, he was not claiming that the other candidates were being racist, but rather, that the media talks about and has polled about whether the nation will vote for an African American, and he was quelling lingering doubts that the audience may have.
The difference is that Obama was not asking for special treatment - in fact, he was asking to be treated the same as the other candidates and have his race not affect his candidacy.
Anonymous wrote on November 6, 2007 9:06 AM:Okay, here's Obama's "race card", and note even though I think the logic here is foolish (his understanding of the world is better than mine because his grandmother's in Africa?), it doesn't bother me he said it.
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Obama stopped picking at his grilled salmon in order to stare out at the sky for a few moments. "I think," he said, in that deep and measured voice of his, "that if you can tell people, 'We have a president in the White House who still has a grandmother living in a hut on the shores of Lake Victoria and has a sister who's half-Indonesian, married to a Chinese-Canadian,' then they're going to think that he may have a better sense of what's going on in our lives and in our country. And they'd be right."
Yeah that's playing the race card. Suggesting that because of his multicultural background and living overseas he may be able to relate to more people in the world is playing the race card. Yeah, right.
Again, that's not what the word/phrase means.
I'll post it again for the illiterate:
Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase referring to an allegation raised against a person who has brought the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate the matter. He's not brought race to obfuscate the question.
In the first, and more common context, it alleges that someone has falsely accused another person of being a racist in order to gain some sort of advantage He's not claiming that anyone is racist.
In the second context, it refers to someone exploiting prejudice against another race for political or some other advantage. He's certainly not doing this either.
Try as you might, this is about HRC and her campaign's unsavory and inrresponsible actions to suggest, imply or otherwise argue that the questions she faced last Tuesday were anything other than valid questions for the inevitable frontrunner. This has nothing to do with discrimination, John Edwards, Barack Obama or Tim Russert. It's about HRC.
savvy wrote on November 6, 2007 11:09 AM:Good response Anonymous.
Race card is a rebuttal to another's assertion that uses their race or gender as an excuse for circumstances/situations.
savvy wrote on November 6, 2007 12:35 PM:Had enough
Here is a link to the Manning SC speech.
Again, nothing Obama said here is what the reporter wrote on race.
