A trial lawyer can't win on his ideas.

Sure they need the money, do you know how much it cost to keep all those Whirling Dervishes employed? She must spin to win!

Yep, js, that's right. No trial lawyer in U.S. history has had ideas. Not Lincoln, not Thurgood Marshall, not any of them.

Lawyers doing transactional corporate work on the other hand ... are BRILLIANT.

Bush-Lite and her campaign staffers don't want you to know that she leads the pack in contributions from "trial lawyers".

LOL. Thank's Anon @1:16. I guess I'll have to come up with another metaphor for her campaigns desire to spin, spin, spin.

Nice post, Bruce McF. Does anyone recall Bill Clinton's infamous statement in 1992 regarding the first (1991) Gulf war: "I sympathized with those who voted against the war, but if I had been in the Senate I would have voted for it." Makes perfect sense!

All this over driving licenses for illegals? What a non-issue! The issue is the void left by Bush Jr. and Congress to set a Federal Immigration policy. The real debate is over now that we've been polarized into the amnesty and deportation factions. Driving licenses? It's like asking "What type of band-aid do we need to put on this gunshot wound?"

Well, well, well.

Double talk.

I like it. It fits.

It fits waaay better than flip-flop.

Cause you see she double talks, she actually never takes a position she just uses words to make you think whichever position YOU have that she supports it. Very deceptive and shrewd.

Just like when she retorted to Russert I didn't say I supported it, and Russert said you said it made sense.

Yes, Tim it makes sense and I understand it...they she yammers on and on about that understand and not once says she supports it.

What a beautiful moment in the debate we got to see her weathervane brain in full motion. Swerving and spinning and sputtering.

what a moment of DOUBLE TALK

DOUBLE TALK
I voted for diplomacy...no Hillary it was a vote for war...see read this paragraph it says military force/action...I don't care what it says, I know what I voted for Hillary exclaims in a shrill voice.

I love it.

DOUBLE TALK
If I had known then what I know now.

lol lol...she got caught and IN FRONT of the CAMERAS....,yeahahahahahahaa

Hillary DoubleTalk Clinton...that is going to stick. It is clear and its simple and it will make folks listen closely and not be deceived by the words she uses like:

understand, accept, makes sense...when she does NOT
advocate, support nor actually take a stance.

Understanding only sounds like support but it isn't. Makes sense only sounds like support but it isn't. Accepting a view only sounds like support but it isn't.

Hopefully, folks will not be able to discern the difference with her NUANCED approach.

I wonder if folks realize the reason Hillary got tripped up on this was because she had too many political factions to please...she is Senator from NY, so how can she oppose Spitzer as Governor when she needs him to campaign for her. Spitzer can't stand the Clintons. Hillary also knows the rest of the nation is opposed to immigration amnesty BUT she represents a state with lots of immigrants...so Hillary couldn't figure out fast enough what was the best political answer and so we say her go into full-fledged DOUBLE TALK mode.

John Edwards THANK YOU!!!

Double Talk...Hillary couldn't come out against Mukasey..and wateboarding becasue he is being championed by Schumer the other NY Senator so what a choice for Hillary again. She lacks any principles so everything is about the politics, never what is best for the country nor what is right or wrong.

Double TALK ...Hillary, she couln't choose.

Edwards went for a right hook when he said. I think Mrs. Clinton just said two different things in the space of two minutes.

POW!!!!

Thanks Edwards, Thanks.

Obama/edwards 08

Oh, I get it Leon. Russert and all the other gobots wanted her to say 'yes' or 'no' to that particular policy, and she refused. What she clearly said was that she supports the governor's effort to fill the gap where the Bush Administration has failed.

Successful national policies often are based on successful state policies. Hopefully New York will go ahead with Spitzer's plan and some other (red) state will make all state licensing and certification based completely on proving citizenship so that we can see what the ends of these policies are. Driving licencses...hoo-ha! Who is to say if it will be a successful policy? No one.

Her statement indicates to me a pragmatic policy approach to use the states as laboratories to get to a best practice policy. She agrees with the governor moving forward with ANY policy that he thinks will solve any problem in the state of New York. That is his job. Driving licenses are the jurisdiction of the states, not the federal government, and therefore, it is irrelevant in a Presidential debate. If they wanted her to paint a clear picture about her stance on Immigration, they should have just asked.

So, in my opinion, I do get it.

One thing I don't understand is why Hillary is considered "power hungry" when someone like Obama has continually sought higher office soon after elected. Once in the state legislature it wasn't long before he embarked on a House run. Then onto the Senate. He's in the Senate two years and already running for president. And even while running for Senate there were reports he was eyeing a run for governor. I don't think Obama is a bad guy, I just find the lack of consistency when talking about ambition laughable. So as not to pick on Obama alone, Edwards is by far the least experienced candidate in the race and he's already seeking the presidency.

In terms of the policy specifically in question, it's nice that Edwards, Obama and the liberal blogosphere are trying to reignite the xenophobia and racism that we experienced in the last debate. Way to go. What Hillary said was pretty obvious: something needs to be done because Bush and the GOP didn't do anything; I respect governors who are trying to force Bush's hand; I won't go on record as for or against this because either position is a political loser. Doesn't seem like rocket science to me.

Its interesting (and telling?) that neither Election Central or TPM's links to "Partner Site" have noted a California poll reported by
Huffpo's Marc Cooper. It notes that "while Hillary Clinton stills leads widely among Democratic presidential contenders she has nevertheless accumulated a 'negatve drag' of voters who absolutely will not support her."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/01/new-california-poll-hill_n_70775.html

It is a real and growing phenomenon in this election worthy of note and monitoring.