Poll: Hillary Running Well In Virginia
A SurveyUSA poll of Virginia shows that Hillary Clinton could potentially pick up the state, which hasn't voted Democratic for president since 1964. Only John McCain is able to score a solid victory against her:
Clinton (D) 47%, Giuliani (R) 46%
Clinton (D) 51%, Thompson (R) 43%
Clinton (D) 51%, Romney (R) 41%
Clinton (D) 52%, Huckabee (R) 38%
McCain (R) 52%, Clinton (D) 42%
Clinton (D) 54%, Paul (R) 35%
Giuliani (R) 47%, Gore (D) 45%
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Eric's obession is my obsession. But really Eric taking Survey USA as your gospel - a 1% margin over Guiliani now means that unless she picks Webb as her mate (and I hear he can't stand her), VA goes RED
That's not "running well" in my book, though apparently so in yours
October 28, 2007 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Deja Vu all over agin
Hillary votes for the Lieberman-Kyl Iran War amendment claiming she just wants Bush to engage in diplomacy
No Evidence of Iran Making Nukes - El Baradei
Learn from Her Experience 2002
Thank you Ms. Bill
Thank YOU Eric
October 28, 2007 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much fun as these polls are, they are about as much of an indication of a presidential election final as my big toe is for Tuesday's weather. The race will tighten tremendously between now and next Nov, and it will be, at best, a nail biter, with the outcome unknown today. Just look back at the post convention figures for the past 5 or 6 election cycles for examples.
October 28, 2007 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that these early polls are pretty useless. Lots will change between now and then and a lot of these polls simply don't make sense. Why would Hillary be running so dangerously close in Oregon, while be doing so well in Virginia?
October 28, 2007 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both the mainstream and blogging media seem to have decided that the presidential nominees are going to be Rudy and Hillary. If it proves true, what a sad sad choice (or lack of one) for the nation.
October 28, 2007 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another poll out today shows just how vulnerable McConnell is in Kentucky, as he only leads potential Democratic challengers by 5%!! Link.
October 28, 2007 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no reason to think that Hillary did not truly believe that at the time. But before you get carried away with the comparison, let me say that this is not at all even the same as the AUMF vote, as a "Deja Vu all over agin[sic]" would have Levin and Durbin, those paragons of "good judgment", voting against the K-L bill. That they did not vote against it requires that you reassess the validity of the analogy and ask yourself whether your reaction might not be a bit too knee-jerk.
The comparison is, in fact, tenuous at best. First, the AUMF bill had come on the heels of 9/11, when Bush was still quite popular and the country was itching to strike back at anyone (more than 50% of the public had supported the Iraq invasion back in 2002-2003, as the airwaves were filled with vision of mushroom clouds). The K-L bill, on the other, comes at a point when Bush's approval rating is near Nixonian level, the country is at war on two fronts at once, our military has been stretched to the breaking point, the public is fed up with the war, the Democrats control the Congress although narrowly, we have thoughtful SecDef and JCS chairman...and... I could go on, but the point is that should Bush do the unthinkable and launch another war of choice (as opposed to a war of necessity as a retaliatory or self-defense strike)against a country the size of Iran under these conditions, he should be (and probably would be) swiftly impeached because that would constitute "high crimes and misdemeanor" and reckless endangerment of the United States. On the other hand, if he starts another war and gets away with it, it would conclusively prove that he is the Smart One, and everyone else is just a bunch of bumbling fools. The Unitary Presidency of GWB would have been ratified by the Congress and the People. Bush might just be stupid enough and crazy enough to start another war while America is already engaged in a war of choice that has been disastrous to the Nation's political, moral and economic standing in the world by any measure. But, if he gets away with it with the whole country looking on, it would say less about Bush but a lot more about the 'cowardice' of the Congress and the American people. Durbin and Levin voted "yea" on the K-L because, if you think about it, Bush would have to be a certifiable lunatic and psychopath for him to start another war of choice before he leaves office. My wager is that they were right, but Bush can prove us all wrong...
All that is necessary for the triumph of "evil" is for good men to do nothing.
-Edmund Burke, British Statesman.
October 28, 2007 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny how the only time "polls don't mean anything this early" is when they show Hillary ahead. Otherwise they're absolutely rock-solid predictors of the final vote.
Tell me if Obama or Edwards had her kind of numbers their supporters wouldn't be trumpeting it to the heavens. Hell, at dKos people routinely post "so-and-so state's in play" diaries when the Dem contender is 15 or 20 points behind.
October 28, 2007 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is opening a can of whoopass on all republicans to the likes we haven't seen since LBJ's washout in '64.
and to that one guy who said Oregon is closer than Virginia what are you talking about?
she is leading the republicans by wider margins.
wake up
October 28, 2007 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
How true... I just saw somewhere a comment that Obama is "doing well" against HRC in NH because he is now "only" within 16 points of her, which is not an insurmountable lead if he can win in IA. So, they do believe that polls do mean something. In fact, when HRC was trailing Rudy and McCain in the polls a few months ago, those same folks, who are now discounting the meaning of opinion polls, had pointed to that as evidence of her "unelectability." The polls, while not predictive of the final outcome, are powerful in that they shape perceptions, which usually determine who gets financial support...Just ask Edwards, who, after trailing in the polls for a long time, had to go pan-in-hand to the public trough for dough to keep his moribund campaign on life support. Unless he wins in IA, he'd be out because there is no way he would be able to compete beyond that or in a drawn out primaries battle against Obama or HRC.
October 28, 2007 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chasing the bandwagon won't end the Democratic culture of corruption.
October 29, 2007 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is still a political eternity till January and the votes are only counted at the polls. What the current polls do show is that Hillary can win the GE. She would win the primaries and the GE if the elections were held today.
October 29, 2007 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink