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McCain Camp Rolls Out New Ad Against Hillary And Woodstock
John McCain has a retooled version of his anti-Hillary, anti-hippies ad. The new ad was made as a result of Fox News demands that the campaign stop using footage of McCain from one of their debates.
"It was a cultural event that defined a generation. Worthy of fond memories," the narrator says mockingly over B-roll of some dirty hippies. "But worthy of a million of your tax dollars to build a museum? Hillary Clinton thinks so. John McCain disagrees."
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Isn't a big GOP donor pushing the Woodstock Museum?
October 26, 2007 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
As is now becoming usual, McCain holds Hillary Clinton to her lowest in today's SUSA poll from Oregon. But Clinton still comfortably leads everyone.
October 26, 2007 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder where Mr. Bill or the handlers were when she did this one??? Really, really stupid move for her. Talk about good campaign commercials that will play well in the midwest, west and south. If she gets the nomination, we'll be seeing alot of these commercials. Shows that she wastes money and doesn't have "family values." If she gets nominated, we'll have president Mr. 9/11 or mitt the flip in 08.
October 26, 2007 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/10/18/flower-power-fades-senate-cuts-woodstock-earmark/
This sums it up quite well:
"Chuck Schumer’s spokesperson hit the nail on the head about Sullivan County and what Bethel Woods means to the local economy. If this were John McCain’s hometown, he would have fought just as hard for the earmark. Republicans have nerve criticizing Democrats for this project when they have wasted billions of taxpayer dollars that have lined the pockets of their buddies at Halliburton and Blackwater USA.
Comment by Rich Klein, Bethel, NY"
October 26, 2007 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't any journalist or blogger every going to do the most rudimentary Google search and find out what this so-called "Woodstock Museum" really is? Does everyone just let the Republicans sink the hook in their lips and drag them into the boat?
The "Woodstock Museum" is actually a brand new $70 million outdoor amphitheater performing arts center 90 miles from NYC. To the beltway pundits, think Rock Creek Amphitheater operated by the federal government.
The Bethel Woods Performing Arts Center was mostly paid for by private funds from the founder of Cablevision. The State of NY kicked in $15 million. The town of Bethel kicked in for sewer and infrastructure costs. Since it opened last year, it has hosted the NY Philharmonic, the Boston Pops, and a string of rock, country, and jazz concerts. It is leading a rejuvenation of the summer tourism business in the Catskills. A very good economic development project and an absolutely stunning facility:
http://www.bethelwoodslive.org/
Photo gallery here:
http://www.bethelwoodslive.org/About/PhotoGallery/
Come on Josh. I know your impressive staff could have debunked this Republican smear instead of just helping them spread it. Here's a hint: how do you know when a Republican is lying? When his lips are moving. I'm willing to bet that a little serious digging would unearth a $1 million earmark for a cultural or performing arts facility in Arizona...or probably even that new Jetsons football stadium they just built.
October 26, 2007 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
HWC, I hate to say it, but I checked your links and its an amphitheater and woodstock museum. I agree with your observations, but the sound bite that will be used by repukes is actually true for once and they will get a ton of mileage out of it. The earmark was for a woodstock museum. How on earth could you open a museum about woodstock anyway? Kind of bizarre. What on earth will they put in it?
October 26, 2007 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
and the most remarkable thing about using this line against hillary, is that she was probably the least likely of the candidates to have attended woodstock.
hell, you can bet cindy mccain has done more drugs and partying than hillary clinton.
October 26, 2007 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Linda, you are absolutely correct. In fact, I bet Mr. 9/11 and his 3rd wife were probably there. Wouldn't that be a laugh if somebody got a picture? Bottom line, these ads are a sad statement about our politics. No substance, just garbage.
October 26, 2007 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
No more boomer presidents! I can't take another 8 years of petty bickering over Vietnam and Woodstock. You gave us the internet and Saturday Night Live, now politely close-up shop and move on.
The past 16 years have been nothing but a whiney and polarizing rehash of stuff that went down 40 years ago. Enough already, get over it.
We've had two boomer presidents so far and that was plenty. What's next?
October 26, 2007 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "museum" is a gallery space in the large entrance building, gift shop, event space building at the Bethel Woods Performing Arts Center. Basically, Shumer and Clinton are looking for $1 million in federal money for a massive $70 million, largely privately financed, non-profit, arts complex in their state.
Perhaps someone in Arizona could find out if any federal money went into the similar Desert Sky Amphitheater in Phoenix when it was built in 1990?
We know that federal earmarks go to fund the refurbishment of the Fox Theater in Tuscon. Maybe we should do a TV ad on our taxpayer going to rebuild old movie theaters? Or, we could be reasonable and acknowledge that these old movie theater performing arts venues are a signficant benefit to every city that has one. Or, just give the Republicans free reign to make these ridiculous attackes with not a single journalist or blogger in the coutry even looking into it. How much longer do we give the Republicans a free pass?
October 26, 2007 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is so offensive about letting this kind of smear go unchallenged is that the Bethel Woods Peforming Arts Center is exactly the kind of project that we should be looking for. A major investment that will benefit people from four states (NY, PA, CT, NJ) and provide economic stimulous for a century. Two-thirds financed by private philanthropic money with some public assistance. The ideal public/private venture to add value to our overall national infrastructure.
I know that every single one of you has performing arts venues in your region and that they add to the quality of life.
Why should this kind of project be allowed to be dismissed as somehow unseemly? The media needs to stop accepting these BS Republican narratives just because some loose change from the sofa might have gone to someone other than Halliburton or an oil company.
October 26, 2007 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
hwc, I'm not disagreeing with you. It just looks really, really bad. Also, I don't think there were any woodstock type events in arizona at that time or since that have been memorialized in a museum funded by mccain. Unfortunately, I don't think you're going to get any traction with your arguments. Yes, I am sure mccain has made earmarks and in fact probably for an arts project; however, I don't think you could find anything as boneheaded as supporting a museum for the counter-culture of the sixties. She should get them to change the website if she doesn't want the repukes to call it what it is a museum. However, it probably is too late now. It really makes you wonder about her "experience" and common sense. You have to admit that this move was really, really stupid.
October 26, 2007 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
It only "looks really, really bad" because not one lazy reporter has even bothered to look up what the earmark was for. They let the Republican narrative go completing unchallenged, including the lefty blogs such as this one.
What's really a travesty is the New York Times. They've run feature stories on the Bethel Woods project over the years. It's a major addition to the greater NYC region. The editors know damn well it's not a "Woodstock museum".
October 26, 2007 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone is missing the real story here: Fox's role. This ad is far less effective than the first one that had McCain's own words and the reference to his being at the Hanoi Hilton during Woodstock.
Has Fox been uniform about not allowing footage from debates to be used by candidates? Or have Hillary's connections with Rupert Murdoch paid off and led to the dilution of the original ad?
October 26, 2007 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
HWC, I just looked it up from your links. Why can't you just admit it was a stupid move? I don't get it. How is it a smear when its true? Why attack the media on a true point? I have more problems with the media not getting information or pressing to get information from the candidates. Are you a campaign worker as well?
October 26, 2007 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michael, thanks for being diligent about this. I took your advice and checked the website. HWC must be a Hillary staffer. Only a Hillary staffer could deny that there will be Woodstock "museum" and not just a concert hall. If you click one more link after clicking HWC's link, you get this:
Opening spring 2008
"What Cooperstown is to baseball,
Bethel could be to the baby boom."
The Museum at Bethel Woods, located at Bethel Woods Center for the Arts, serves as an educational and informational facility which explores the unique American experiences of the decade of the 1960s and examines the role of the Woodstock Festival at the culmination of the decade. The Museum includes exhibits highlighting the social, political, cultural and musical transformations of that period as well as its legacy today.
Do you have a Woodstock artifact or experience to contribute?
No doubt about it: Hillary did not vote for a Woodstock museum, but only a concert hall, and Hillary did not vote for a war, but only diplomacy. Be grateful, HWC, that the media has not futher explored this. I agree it's no big deal, but the way for Hillary to defend against this attack is not dishonesty, but simply saying, "I think the museum will be good for tourism and help a rural economically less developed part of my State."
October 26, 2007 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
D'oh. I screwed up the blockquote feature. The quote in my post above was supposed to continue all the way until just before the words "No doubt." Whatever happened to the handy "Preview" button?
October 26, 2007 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leon723, I really find the staffers annoying. They spew venom and distortions constantly. I really don't get it. What purpose does it serve to piss-off potential supporters? It really is bizarre. They constantly try to give the impression that she is inevitable and anyone against her is a lunatic, extreme left-wing, sexist, woman hater that wants the repukes to win. That couldn't be further from the truth, so why piss-off part of your potential voting block. Truly bizarre.
October 26, 2007 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm certainly no Hillary supporter (in fact, I'm giving serious thought to sitting out the election if she's the Dem nominee), but, c'mon Michael!
"It just looks really, really bad"
It's a lousy $1 million, fer cryin' out loud! And, OK, Leon723, the copy about the museum DOES mention the Woodstock Festival - as part of and iconic of "the social, political, cultural and musical transformations of" the "unique American experiences of the decade of the 1960s".
Really kind of hard to argue that the social, political, cultural and musical transformations of 1960s aren't worth a museum somewhere, isn't it?
Get off your high horses already, you're as bad the Hilary staffers . . .
October 26, 2007 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok dasher, so what do you put in the stupid museum? Used shringes, old bowls, old rapping papers, packages of condoms. What? Do you really think that an add such as mccain's wouldn't play well in middle america? Are you a moron or what? It's perceptions. I am not disagreeing with anything other than the perception. Sure its a lousy million and sure it's great to promote development and "culture." But woodstock for crying out loud. I still think in general it was a stupid move, not for schumer or someone that was just going to be a senator from new york, but someone running for president?
October 26, 2007 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can only assume, Michael, that you are rather young, and therefore lack historical perspective (either that or you're just emotionally 'young' and lack perspective).
The social and political upheaval of the sixties were captured rather dramatically in popular musical development. It's difficult to point to another period in time where those three elements were so inextricably intertwined.
I remember when I was a callow youth in the 1980's questioning my boss about an event that occurred some years before in the corporation for which I worked - it made little sense to me, hearing about it in retrospect. My boss just shrugged, and with a far-away look on his face said, "what can I say, it was the 60's". As if that said it all.
It's a period in history worth our study, it contains the roots of a lot of what is coming to a head in this country now.
October 26, 2007 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
And as for who is or is not a "moron", I'll leave that to the readers of this blog to decide. I'm not worried.
October 26, 2007 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, I ask again dasher, what are they going to put in the museum? What do you think in middle america, the red belt, the voters will think that they are putting in the museum and what the museum is promoting?
By the way, I am old, lived through the sixties and am just making an observation. Your posts are not making any observation or conclusion and are typical generalizations of a staffer trying to deflect the issue. What is the purpose of your deflection? The issue won't go away. I really don't get it.
October 26, 2007 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you accusing me of being a Hillary staffer? That's hilarious (and it proves you've got poor reading comprehension). I'm the one who's thinking about sitting out the election if she gets the nom.
So you really can't imagine what they would put in a museum about the sixties, centered around the Woodstock festival as an iconic event of the era. Either you have no imagination, or you've never been to or paid much attention to what goes on in museums, or you're just being a troll on this little hobby-horse issue of yours.
Get lost; I don't engage in ad hominem attacks with 'people' like you.
October 26, 2007 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
fwiw, i think you can certainly defend the museum without being a Hillary staffer. What you can't defend is the notion that the earmark was not even for a museum but for a concert hall. It was that silly notion that only someone on the HRC staff or at least injected with HRC Kool Aid could peddle. And I agree with Michael that if you go the the website it could not be clearer that what the earmark was for was the museum.
As to whether this is a real issue or a BS issue that does not deserve more than a couple of days of play, I have to vote BS issue. On the other hand, I could see the Repubs using this effectively because they are shameless and were able to use Kerry's friggin interest in windsurfing against him.
October 26, 2007 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe on the staffer issue, your posts are strange and just deflect.
I guess I have no imagination, enlighten me oh brilliant one on what one would put in a museum about woodstock. I don't see it and I don't know if I would call woodstock as some kind of "iconic event of the era." That's a little over the top don't you think?
Where exactly did I engage in an "ad hominem attack" with you? In fact other than refering to you as a moron once, which you threw back at me. What other attacks?
Bottom line I think its a bs issue for normal people, not repukes or people that buy into repuke garbage. As Leon pointed out the windsurfing ad was actually very effective and it was a bs issue. I can just envision the ads associated with woodstock.
October 26, 2007 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is McCain running anti-Hillary ads? Is he running against Hillary for the Democratic nomination now?
If he was smart, he would be running ads showing Rudy morphing into Hillary, and continually refer to them both as pro-choice, pro-gay New Yorkers who lack strong defense credentials. He should be running those ads all the damned time in South Carolina.
October 26, 2007 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's all one big development. The concert pavillion opened a year ago. The entrance buildings, gift shops, event facility and ... yes... the museum gallery opens early next year -- it's one wing of the entrance buildings. The Bethel Woods Performing Arts Center is built on the site of the Woodsock Festival.
It's not conceptually much different than Elvis' birthplace in Tupelo being on the Federal Register of historic places or Graceland being open to the public.
October 27, 2007 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink