Max Cleland Set To Debate Karl Rove

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bob wrote on October 17, 2007 11:44 AM:

I'm surprised they invited Cleland. Knowing the depths to which the GOP will stoop could really throw a wrench into the worldview of students at Pat Robertson's Regent University.

Mike wrote on October 17, 2007 12:03 PM:

I'm afraid the students at Regent University are already wrenched or they wouldn't be there in the first place.

moondancer wrote on October 17, 2007 12:03 PM:

Good point Bob. I would think Zell Miller would be the kind of democrat for Regent Jr. college.

joeshit, the ragman wrote on October 17, 2007 12:49 PM:

Moderator : "Sir, were you behind those ads tying a veteran who sacrfices three limbs for his country to a terrorist mass murderer of thousands of Americans?"

Karl : "No"

This has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.......

sailmaker wrote on October 17, 2007 12:52 PM:

Regent certainly knows how to pick odd debators on the subject: Rove, who doesn't believe in democracy as evidenced by his work to establish a permanent Republican majority (including dirty tricks and illegal manipulation of the DoJ), a unitary presidency, and an authoritarian state (media consolidation, wiretapping, and the quaintness of habeas corpus), and Cleland who probably should not believe in democracy, having been thrown under the bus of American politics metaphorically, and his body ground up for American Empire.

Doofus wrote on October 17, 2007 1:05 PM:

The debate "audience" will be stacked with GOP thugs, programmed and primed to jeer every Cleland comment and wildly cheer everything Rove utters.

dkm wrote on October 17, 2007 1:07 PM:

I think that there are two frames that Cleland should use.

1. It is the way that democracy is exported that is important, not the democracy itself. It has to be by example, not brute force.

2. We have democracy in the US?? He should go into the long series of dirty tricks that Rove is responsible for to make the point that we do not need to export this. Also, he should go into the various strategems of the DoJ to manipulate the vote and point out that this should not be exported. He should point out that Big Corporation owns the government and this is most assuredly not democracy. I am sure there are many other points that can be made along the same line. Just having elections is not a democracy. Saddam had elections and won with 99% of the vote. In any case, point out that we need to get democracy here before we can export it.

Richard wrote on October 17, 2007 1:37 PM:

Cleland is not thinking clearly. There is no reason to expect this to actually be a debate, just a rigger show intending to elevate the fallen Rove.
Rove is not a guy that needs to be debated. It is not a man of ideas or vision: he is just an unscrupulous egocentric with no moral inhibitions. He does not represent ideas intended to benefit the American people. He represents a body of scams created to con the American people out of their votes. He functions for the GOP, not the USA.
What is the point in this?

sandy wrote on October 17, 2007 1:45 PM:

I'm not at all surprised rove agreed to debate Max Cleland. He'll no doubt attempt to bully by standing over him on his 2 good legs forcing Mr Cleland who's in a wheelchair to seem as if he's looking up at him whenever possible. It's all about mind games and images with turdblossom.

pacificardea wrote on October 17, 2007 1:50 PM:

IIRC, Rove developed his chops early on in high school debate. As much as I'd like to see him expose Karl for the unscrupulous opportunist he is, I hope Max Cleland is prepared for this.

Jim M wrote on October 17, 2007 1:53 PM:

It will be excruciating for anyone who remembers 2002 to see them shake hands before or after. I would hate to be Cleland at that moment, stuck between looking ungracious and knowing that Rove will take this as absolution.
How can you have a debate when the main difference between the two parties is not their respective positions on the question, but their character?

Jim M wrote on October 17, 2007 1:56 PM:

How can you have a debate when the main difference between the parties is not their respective positions on the question but their personal character?
I'd hate to be there to see Karl offering Cleland his hand, or to be Cleland deciding whether to shake it an give the creep his wished-for absolution, or refuse it and look ungracious.

Jan wrote on October 17, 2007 2:18 PM:

I shook Max Cleland's hand when I was 17, and that was a long time ago. As I stood in line to do it, I watched everyone in front of me. They all, every single one of them, extended their right hand to Sen. Cleland. He has only his left. I wonder if Rove will notice.

conniptionfit wrote on October 17, 2007 7:07 PM:

What on earth makes you think that Rove would tell the truth???

ohdave wrote on October 17, 2007 8:31 PM:

Maybe Cleland simply wants to confront Rove, a la Laertes:

It warms the very sickness in my heart that I shall live and tell him to his teeth, Thus did’st thou.

Didn't work out for Laertes, however.

Powkat wrote on October 18, 2007 12:21 PM:

Richard:
". . .an unscrupulous egocentric with no moral inhibitions."

Best description of Karl I have ever seen.

EP3 wrote on October 18, 2007 4:34 PM:

Max, no offense, but I hope you hold him down with your only hand and beat him to a bloody pulp with your other stumps. Torture his A55 and see how he likes it.

R25 wrote on October 24, 2007 6:53 AM:

With all due respect to Senator Cleland, I'm concerned about him during this debate. He's not the smartest egg in the world and Jeb is a policy wonk. While I agree with Max, I'm concerned about him repeating the same talking points, and the right killing him with kindness. The forum is not the best either. I don't know if he'll be able to hold his own.

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