I don't think we need lessons on whom to call terrorists from a man who thinks the war on terror is a "bumper sticker". Certainly, Clinton and Edwards have learned a different lesson after 9/11.

Sharing an idea I posted at Salon:
Leading in the way he has on other issues this week, Chris Dodd already has come out with a statement on the Iran sanctions, that states, in part:

"The aggressive actions taken today by the Administration absent any corresponding diplomatic action is exactly what we all should have known was coming when we considered our vote on the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment, and smacks, frankly, of a dangerous step toward armed confrontation with Iran.

Edwards is a much stronger and more effective critic on this than Obama. He doesn't have to parse why he thinks sanctions are OK for one reason but not another, and he's not vulnerable to the Clinton BS response of "your views don't matter since you missed the vote" that seems to have been effective against Obama (if unfair).

Go Edwards!

The New Yorker recently reported that one reason the administration has not yet attacked Iran is because public opinion has turned against such a course. Senator Clinton's actions undermine the American people's opposition to war with Iran.

Edwards is becoming pathetic by the day. He called this "saber-rattling" by Bush, and he should have stopped at that. Bush will not be attacking anyone because he has cut his balls and those of the military off, and he will have no support from anyone to start an ultimately Pyrrhic war with Persia. To ensure that he does not thumb his nose at everyone once more, a course of action such as suggested above by Jim White should be pursued immediately:

[I] would like to suggest a specific pressure point. Because these sanctions have been imposed unilaterally and by the State and Treasury Departments without Congressional input, I think that we need to pressure the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to hold hearings on this matter. The Chair is Senator Joe Biden, and his Washington phone number is 202-224-5042. Please join me in calling or emailing (http://biden.senate.gov/contact/emailjoe.cfm) Senator Biden's office to request that emergency hearings be called as soon as possible to force Secretary Rice to disclose just what diplomatic efforts have been put forth prior to implementing these sanctions. Further, the hearings should force the Administration to explain why the Iranian peace overture in the spring of 2003 was rebuffed.

If Bush goes ahead and launches another war of choice, with the nation still stuck in Afghanistan and in his misadventure in Mesopotamia, that would be considered "high crimes and misdemeanor", a total disregard for the Constitution and the American people and Congress should immediately draw the Articles of Impeachment. If Bush, the Village Idiot, launches another war before he leaves office and he gets away with it, we won't have anyone to blame but ourselves for letting him get away with it a second time. I recall all the mea culpa editorials by the nation's leading newspapers decrying their role in enabling the Bush Wars I. If it happens again with everyone looking on, we are the stupid ones.

People will come in here and find in this a cause to blame Hillary. Remember that 72 Senators voted for K-L, under the assumption that it would be insane for Bush to attack anyone while we were still at war. But if Bush does attack anyone, that would conclusively prove that he is insane and must be removed from office. The same congress that passed K-L should impeach him or the people should throw them all out. That is a place where the bully tactics of the likes of MoveOn.org and the netroots would be justified...To rally the people, not against individuals, but against a rogue administration or a do-nothing Congress.

I still predict that all of this is much ado about nothing: Bush has emasculated himself and the US military, so that what we are seeing now are the last "throes" of mediocre POTUS struggling to come to grips with the harsh judgment of History that he knows awaits him.

Remember that 72 Senators voted for K-L, under the assumption that it would be insane for Bush to attack

So is your point, dschungu, is that you disagree with the policy Clinton voted for but since all the other Senators voted for it, she won't be at fault if Bush uses it to launch a war?

As I understand her explanation, she cast the vote to give the administration the leverage it needed to avoid war. Just like she voted in 2002 to give the administration the leverage it needed to avoid war with Iraq.

I think the correct interpreation of this is Fool me once, I'm a fool. Fool me twice ... don't get fooled again.

I think the correct interpreation of this is Fool me once, I'm a fool. Fool me twice ... don't get fooled again.

Speaking of fools...You are very naïf! Bush needs no freaking K-L to launch a war against Iran or anyone. He thinks that he already has authority under the AUMF to do it! All he needs to do is to say the the IRGs are supporting terrorism, so we're going to take them out. Heck, Bush can attack anyone any time if he feels like it. The question is what are you and me and the Congress going to do about. He has been emboldened because he got away with so much for so long. Now, his feet must be held to the fire so that he'll know what would happen to him. Bush will launch another war of choice if he thinks that he'll get away with but under the current conditions and what he's done to the military, it would be an impeachable offense...at least in my world it would be. Get Bush, he is the Stupid One! Going after one Senator or two won't solve the problem at all. It'll you make you feel good but if won't do anything to Bush!!!

All he needs to do is to say the the IRGs are supporting terrorism, so we're going to take them out.

And it is the sense of the Senate that they are doing so. So he can say, hey, the Senate agrees with me on this and they represent the will of the American people. [See the 17 findings and the first and second senses of the Senate in KLA]

The question is what are you and me and the Congress going to do about.

Well we thought we elected leaders smart enough to know not to trust the Bush Administration on ANYTHING going forward. Apparently that didn't work out too well.

Now, his feet must be held to the fire so that he'll know what would happen to him.
Close the barn door, the horse just ran out!

I'll give you this, you are always good for a good laugh. Keep'em coming!

One other point dcshungu, your boss has a lot of power right NOW as the presumptive nominee and in fact the next president of the US and she is just awaiting coronation. Why doesn't she use it? Why doesn't she take a stand on anything and start using the power that she actually has? She could get the other senators to rally around her because according to the polls and you for that matter she has it wrapped up. She could use that power to start stearing the titanic away from that iceberg that the king keeps stearing toward. She doesn't and I don't understand why.

dcshungu:

Must be time for a nap, you starting to get grumpy.

dcshungu, you really are a juvenille idiot. Did I say anything about durbin or levin in any post? Nope. Also, where have I stated that in order for me to support a politician I have to agree on every single vote? Nowhere. I really don't get it. You always ignore points I raise and then you manipulate what I say into something I didn't say or you just attack me personally. It really is bizarre.

What about my point in my second post about the power that your boss has? Why doesn't she use it? She could easily marginalize the king for the last year of his criminal administration, but she doesn't. Why not?

dcshungu:

Michael lecturing someone re juvenile behavior is like Ann Coulter lecturing one on mental health.

colonpowwow wrote on October 25, 2007 8:58 PM:

dcshungu:

Michael lecturing someone re juvenile behavior is like Ann Coulter lecturing one on mental health.

You ain't kidding about that!