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Approps Chair Obey Says He'll Block Funding For War Without Withdrawal Date

This is kind of big: Dem Rep. David Obey, the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, just said at a presser that he'll use his power as committee chair to block future war funding measures if they don't contain clear timetables for withdrawal from Iraq and don't allow for longer troop rest times.

Obey, in a reference to the $190 billion war supplemental requested by President Bush, said the following, according to a transcript provided by the committee:

“I would be more than willing to report out a supplemental meeting the President’s request if that request were made in support of a change in policy that would do three things.

-- "Establish as a goal the end of U.S. involvement in combat operations by January of 2009."

-- "Ensure that troops would have adequate time at home between deployments as outlined in the Murtha and Webb amendments."

-- "Demonstrate a determination to engage in an intensive, broad scale diplomatic offensive involving other countries in the region."

“But this policy does not do that. It simply borrows almost $200 billion to give to the Departments of State, Defense, Energy, and Justice with no change in sight.

“As Chairman of the Appropriations Committee I have absolutely no intention of reporting out of Committee anytime in this session of Congress any such request that simply serves to continue the status quo."

While Obey's insistence that the war funding measure "establish as a goal" withdrawal by January 2009 would appear to be nonbinding, this is nonetheless a significant step. That's because Obey is threatening to block funding for the war lest funding be directly tied both to a clear date-certain goal for withdrawal and to Webb's troop rest measures. Also, Obey has the power to follow through on this threat.

The new funding is not needed for several months, but nonetheless, this suggests a newfound willingness on his part to use control over funding to force actual policy changes, particularly on the Webb piece. It's a drawing-line-in-the-sand kind of moment. Obey's full statement after the jump.

“We are here for two reasons this morning. First, because we are tired of the drift represented by the President’s speech to the nation after General Petraeus’s testimony last week. The policy outlined by the President is being sold to the country as a plan to reduce our troop levels in Iraq, but it is quite the opposite. It is a plan intended to guarantee that we will have a heavy troop presence there for a decade.

“When you strip away the fog, it is simply a plan to get us back six months from now to the same place we were six months ago before the surge began. It is not being undertaken because of any new determination to reduce troop levels. It is simply recognizing that we do not have enough troops to sustain the surge level. It is a confession that the President has not a clue about how to get us out of that civil war. It is simply a plan to punt the problem to his successor – ruining two administrations rather than just one.

“If supported by the Congress, it is a recipe for keeping us tied down in a Middle East occupation for years, destroying what little good will we have left in the region. It is also a plan for draining the treasury dry of funds that we desperately need to invest in crucial initiatives here at home in order to build a stronger country and a more family friendly country.

“In addition to the regular defense appropriation request of $463 billion, the President is asking Congress to appropriate an additional supplemental request of almost $200 billion – a blank check to finance U.S. activities in Iraq – and he clearly expects that request to be repeated for years to come.

“I would be more than willing to report out a supplemental meeting the President’s request if that request were made in support of a change in policy that would do three things.

Establish as a goal the end of U.S. involvement in combat operations by January of 2009.

Ensure that troops would have adequate time at home between deployments as outlined in the Murtha and Webb amendments.

Demonstrate a determination to engage in an intensive, broad scale diplomatic offensive involving other countries in the region.
“But this policy does not do that. It simply borrows almost $200 billion to give to the Departments of State, Defense, Energy, and Justice with no change in sight.

“As Chairman of the Appropriations Committee I have absolutely no intention of reporting out of Committee anytime in this session of Congress any such request that simply serves to continue the status quo.

“I also have no intention of acquiescing in a policy that will result in draining the treasury so dry that it will result in the systematic disinvestment of America’s future.

“That brings me to the second reason that we are here. The President is objecting to the fact that we are trying to depart from his domestic budget request by some $22 billion, an amount about one tenth as large as the amount that the President wants to spend again this year in Iraq.

“CBO estimates we are spending $10 billion dollars a month in Iraq. That’s $7 and ½ million in the time this press conference will take, and that is all borrowed money.

“The result is that there is no sense of shared sacrifice in this country on this war. The only families being asked to sacrifice are military families and they are being asked to sacrifice again and again and again. Meanwhile, even the most fortunate of the rest of us are being asked to make no sacrifice whatsoever. Those Americans who make more than a million dollars a year, instead of being asked to sacrifice are being asked to accept over $50 billion in tax cuts, again all paid for with borrowed money. That simply sends the bill to our kids.

“We need to stop pretending that this war doesn’t cost anything.

“This war will cost future generations billions of dollars in taxes that we are shoving off on them and it is devouring money that could be used to expand their educational opportunities, expand their job training possibilities, attack our long term energy problems and build stronger communities.

“If the President really is concerned about stopping red ink, we are prepared to introduce legislation which will provide for a war surtax for that portion of military costs that are related to our military actions in Iraq.

“We are choosing not to offset costs associated with our efforts in Afghanistan, because we believe that those are legitimate, because our Afghanistan effort is aimed at eliminating the Taliban who gave shelter to al Qaeda, and that action will benefit future generations. But those future generations should not be saddled with paying for an ill advised war in Iraq that seems to be never ending.

“If this war is important enough to fight, then it ought to be important enough to pay for.

“We know that this proposal is going to be controversial – I don’t expect to get the support of our leadership or the support of our caucus at this point – but by putting together this bill we hope people will stop ignoring what this war is costing American taxpayers and call the President’s bluff on fiscal responsibility.

“And please realize, that if such a proposal is not passed, and the war continues, one of two things will happen. We will either run up insurmountable debts, or we will drain the treasury dry of funds that are essential to making the domestic investments in education, health, medical research, science, law enforcement, that our crucial to creating a stronger country and more prosperous families.

“It is time for the President and the Congress to face up to some really hard choices. It is time for all of us to face up to the consequences of the President’s actions.”


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This is very significant since Obey led the charge to get us out of Vietnam. He is a very good strategist on this sort of thing. The gauntlet is thrown down.

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This is significant, but why bring up Viet Nam? Two significantly different American dilemmas!

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It's about frickin' time!

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Now, will the Dem leadership have the stomach for the very nasty fight that will ensue, starting with the Decider's certain to come pronouncement that this is evidence that the "Democrat" party refuses to support/hates the troops?

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Obey Obey!

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Thank you Congressman Obey
At last someone is following through on the '06 election massage.

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Yes!!!

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I've seen Mr. Obey talk tough before the last funding capitulation.

Until I see Pelosi on all the sunday shows linking continued war funding to a tax on the Bush Base (eg the rich), I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

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Next is Rep. Boner [sic] calling Dem leadership for "not supporting our troops"

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Here's his contact page. Thank him and tell him to stick to his guns.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=http://www.house.gov%2Fobey

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Pete, I understand the differences but you apparently don't understand the real similarity when our legislature is trying to extricate us from a war. Those strategies are very much alike. Obey was there for Vietnam and I am particularly glad he is there for this one.

I followed the struggles closely in Congress regarding Vietnam--and it was very difficult to get us out using legislative strategies. Obey and I took away the same lesson--you never, ever vote to support a war without an overwhelming reason for America to become involved. Iraq failed that test.

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This is significant, but why bring up Viet Nam? Two significantly different American dilemmas!

What's wrong with that? Stlounick was just noting that Congressman Obey has acted courageously to help end two different wars.

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With Senator Feingold and Representative Obey, I'm so proud to be from Wisconsin, a state that elects people that will stand up for what they believe in without the mealy-mouthed B.S.

This is what I will hope to see from newly-elected President Obama in 2016. (Sigh) I wish Hillary (my preferred choice for this time around) was more like those two, but I think she'll take the White House back, has the political clout to deal with the problems that she'll inherit from idiot-boy, and move us back on a more progressive path, and that's a good start.

On, Wisconsin!

Now, let's not talk Sensenbrenner today ;-)

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This is not the end of the Iraq occupation. It could be the beginning of movement towards an endgame. The likelihood of a protracted Congressional battle is now very high.

In real-world terms, it's going to take a while for this to have any effect, still, it's something. And Obey is a very experienced, very knowledgeable, very reliable hand on the tiller here.

Expect nothing immediate. Expect results over a period of months, or, sadly, years. This mess is going to take time to unravel. That we may finally be getting to unraveling it at all is a measure of good news.

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@Pete: Maybe you're unaware that Vietnam didn't end until funding was cut off. Of course, since that happened the hawks were proved right and we've all been forced to become Communists. Since our post-Vietnam government highly restricts information access and has rewritten history, you can be forgiven for not knowing this.

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I'm on board with colinpowpow-Wisconsin breeds some pretty savvy folks. It's where the Progressive Movement started, with Fightin' Bob LaFollette! I'm just as proud to cast my vote here as he is. Now, Mr. Obey, let's see this attitude when the rubber hits the road.

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I can appreciate the similarities between what Congress can do, but the consequences to this countrys' interests for ending the two wars seem distinctly different. While I want the war to end, I can't help but feel somewhat uneasy about the long term consequences of pulling out before we clean up the mess we made.

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Oh, colonpowow, why did you have to mention Senselessbrenner?

Why oh why did some get gerrymandered into his district?

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Good for Congressman Obey!

This is a significant change from his position of early summer caught on video where he went off on activists saying you can't just not fund the Pentagon, etc...

Obey has been in Congress for a long, long time and he's got some balls (unlike most Congressional Dems) so this could be a very, very positive development. He should be encouraged to hold his ground and not back down.

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Just had enough, I guess. I like defunding anything the chimp likes to make him play ball.

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This has to be the most insane idea i've ever heard.
Ask all Americans, who in the vast majority, disagree with and don't support an illegal, immoral war, to pay for it with our hard-earned money.
Excuse me- I for one will campaign for this bill to be overturn-and will never pay one cent to this theiving,lying murderous government to kill innocent people and steal , and privatize their resources.

Lets end this war by applying an exit strategy that will save billions and make Iraq a stable democracy.

If you are interested in doing this : see my blog:

sevenpointman

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WHAT WE NEED IN THIS COUNTRY IS A
REVOLUTION

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WHAT WE NEED IS A REVOLUTION IN THIS COUNTRY
WHEN WE LEEFT ENGLAND IT WAS PARTIALLY DUE TO HIGH TAXES AND IT WAS 4%
CHECK CLOSE NOW IT TAKES YOU 6 MONTHS TO PAY YOUR TAXES

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Howard,
I hear and agree with your sentiment in vehemently not wanting to pay for this war. I agree, but, unfortunately we are responsible to pay for the debt's incurred by our (small 'p') president. The money is already spent! The point in my supporting Mr. Obey, is that the Americans voting for this war don't understand that it comes with a cost (to them!). The 'war tax' will never pass, but the hope is to 'shock' war supporters into awareness of the freakin' extreme cost Bush's War has placed on our country!

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i feel this is typical Congressional baloney. The members don't have the b_____ to do their jobs and vote this travesty away.

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Here's a copy of my letter to Dave Obey:

I have just read your statement about not funding the Iraq War without a plan to withdraw. This does not precisely agree with my own opinion, that we should consult with the other countries in the region and either go or stay as they recommend; but it is far better than funding a perpetual occupation.

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Dave,

Your logic is a bit skewed. We are paying every day with our taxes to the tune of 20-30 % that is used to fund this war. We also our having at least that amount withdrawn from our collective and individual earnings and savings in net loss from social programs that are being cut and privatized. We also lose some of our income from speculation and currency trading, and flight capital from corporatist global sources.
The true cost for the future will be several trillion more.
As Commandante Marcos said: Ya Basta (Enough !)

I agree that this lothsome chicanery of an attempt at ending this war, by the do nothing Dems, will not get enough votes-even from the Dems themselves- but it's message of more taxation
will not resonate well with a hynotized electorate who sees any form of taxation as counter-productive to growth.
Even Dweeb-brain Pelosi saw this and is distancing herself from this proposal.

If you want the war to begin ending tomorrow help me to implement my exit strategy.

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I wanted to send an e-mail to Dave but his site says he won't take e-mails from outside his district. Never-the less, I thank him, Russ Feingold and Jim Webb for all having the guts to take the inevitable heat of the Republican slurs and throw them right back. A Surtax may not sit well and sure sounds awful, BUT in the absence of a national military draft, its the only thing that might actually mobilize the people of this country to pressure their Republican obstructionist Sen. & Reps to end this damn thing.

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Thank god I live in WI, where it seems most of the congressman and senators have some balls!! Yes, about time someone steps up to the damn plate. This is obsurd to think how much money this knob has spent on this war. I am thankful for having Russ Feingold and Herb Kohl, David Obey, Kagan and etc. I honestly hope when the 2008 election comes up, the idiots who refused to figure some way to get us out of this war, lose there job. After that, I think its time to rip apart what this administration did. TAKE ACTION!! I give credit to a few other folks in washington, but its not enough.

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