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Exclusive: Dem Rep To Introduce House Resolution Condemning Rush Limbaugh On Monday

By Greg Sargent - September 28, 2007, 5:59PM

I've just learned that Rep. Mark Udall (D-CO) will be introducing a resolution in the House of Representatives on Monday condemning Rush Limbaugh for his "phony soldiers" remark.

This is significant because it has the potential to dramatically up the stakes in this fight. If the Democratic leadership allows it to go for a vote, it will force all the Republicans in the House to either vote for it, against it, or skip the vote -- and to pass judgment on the powerful conservative talk show host's contention that troops who don't support President Bush's war policies are "phony soldiers."

It will also potentially present the Dem leadership with a not-so-easy choice. Many people will naturally call on the leadership to allow the resolution to come to a vote, which is not necessarily something the leadership might want, since it could look like a tit-for-tat reso in retaliation for the measure condemning MoveOn. It also is potentially problematic for some in the leadership because there is an internal sentiment that it's not Congress' job to go around denouncing the remarks, however reprehensible, of private citizens.

Sources tell us that there's a lot of interest in this resolution among rank and file Dem House members, and that it may come up for a vote soon. There's no guarantee by any means that this will end up happening, though it's likely that there will be some pressure on the leadership make it happen. Udall, whose office confirmed to me that he'd introduce the reso on Monday, has powerful incentive to drum up attention for it as a Senate candidate in Colorado.

Either way, it's a key development, because it has the potential to move this from a rhetorical battle to a legislative one, which would keep the story going. Here's Rep. Udall's "dear colleague" letter, which was leaked to Election Central:

September 28, 2007
JOIN AS AN ORIGINAL COSPONSOR OF A RESOLUTION

HONORING OUR ARMED FORCES AND

CONDEMNING RUSH LIMBAUGH'S ATTACK

ON "PHONY SOLDIERS"

Dear Colleague:

On September 26, 2007 the broadcaster Rush Limbaugh told a nationwide radio audience that members of the Armed Forces who have expressed disagreement with current policies of the United States regarding military activities in Iraq are "phony soldiers."

On Monday I will introduce a resolution honoring all Americans serving in the Armed Forces and condemning this unwarranted attack on the integrity and professionalism of those in the Armed Forces who choose to exercise their constitutional right to express their opinions regarding U.S. military action in Iraq.

For more information or to cosponsor the resolution, please contact XXXXXXX in my office at xxxxx.

Sincerely,

Mark Udall

Things could get very interesting next week. More on the media dynamic at play on this story right here at The Horse's Mouth.

Comments (133)

Righteous Bubba wrote on September 28, 2007 6:14 PM:

Hmm. Uninteresting if true.

Paddy wrote on September 28, 2007 6:16 PM:

Half of me says YIPPEE, the other half ugh.

Anonymous wrote on September 28, 2007 6:18 PM:

Wow, I sure am proud that the US Congress is working overtime to keep anyone from hurting our military's FEELINGS!

If only they cared this much about them being shot and blown up.

Ron wrote on September 28, 2007 6:22 PM:

goose. gander.

Greg wrote on September 28, 2007 6:26 PM:

I have mixed feelings about it too. On the one hand I feel like fuck it, if there's gonna be a vote against MoveOn, let's have one on Rush, too. On the other, it's all pretty questionable. Dems could rise above it all, but of course no one would ever give them credit for doing this.

Dale wrote on September 28, 2007 6:27 PM:

Tit for tat, or not, I would support this resolution on the basic premise that it be identical to the anti-MoveOn resolution, and as such, all the votes should be exactly the same on the same principles.

On principle, I think it would be a mistake for anyone that voted against the MoveOn resolution to vote for this one, but I think it should be brought to both floors. With "identical" resolutions the hypocrisy will be documented for all to see.

saysyes wrote on September 28, 2007 6:27 PM:

I wish they'd just call him a douchebag and move on.

ROGNM wrote on September 28, 2007 6:28 PM:

The Resolution should Condemn the Program (Rush Limbaugh Show ?) and the Radio Network/Organization that Aired the Offensive Remarks.

Delia wrote on September 28, 2007 6:28 PM:

To be followed by resolutions: "I know you are but what am I?"

and

"Nya nya nyanya nya nya!"

Dale wrote on September 28, 2007 6:28 PM:

Dutch wrote on September 28, 2007 6:32 PM:

What's with all the hand wringing?!? This is politics. The other side gets lots of traction doing this sort thing. It's about time we fought back. It may be stupid, but that's how it goes.

Johnny2Bad wrote on September 28, 2007 6:32 PM:

This a total and absolute waste of their time and MY money. People are dying. Get a clue.

JMOHR wrote on September 28, 2007 6:38 PM:

This is an important and necessary action on the part of the Democratic party leaders. Yes, it makes no sense to have these political resolutions. However, The Republicans have been playing havoc with this sort of game for years. In the end, the Democrats do the right thing. The smear goes unanswered and we look like a bunch of wimps.

I would go foreward with the resolution. As soon as it passes, I would introduce a second resloution stating that it is not an appropriate use of the legislative process to pass these kinds of resolutions. It does lead to a fair and balanced calling out of the other side in a similar manner as it should to prevent the impression of official approval or condemnation of political speech.

chisholm wrote on September 28, 2007 6:38 PM:

I have mixed emotions about this too, for reasons everyone has mentioned, but I think we should err on the side of fighting back. Let's make those sanctimonious bastards put their money where their mouths are.

Whether senior management allows it go through is another story. Whether the Republicans do it to the Democrats again is not. That might be the rub here.

Anonymous wrote on September 28, 2007 6:40 PM:

The horse has already left the stable.

DM wrote on September 28, 2007 6:55 PM:

And your point is...? :-)

since it could look like a tit-for-tat reso in retaliation for the measure condemning MoveOn

I don't accept this as a significant reason for Democrats to not take action, on this and much bigger choices (like, oh, impeaching Cheney). Yes, this criticism will be made. BFD -- there are rebuttals to make. If Dems dance around to avoid any potential criticism, Repugs will continue to call the shots.

dm wrote on September 28, 2007 7:15 PM:

(different "DM")

Maybe it's a homeopathic approach to poisoned rhetoric.

I thought the MoveOn condemnation was a silly waste of time, but if that sort of thing is on the agenda, it's about time that the Phony Patriot got a taste of similar medicine.

Matt in Costa Rica wrote on September 28, 2007 7:21 PM:

The resolution needs to be presented. The MoveOn resolution was significant inasmuch it drove a wedge between MoveOn and democratic politicians. The same needs to be done to Rush, especially since he really is a traitor to our Constitution and a drug addict arm chair soldier. Can we put that in the resolution?

jmc wrote on September 28, 2007 7:32 PM:

You know who this really affects?

Not Rush Limbaugh.
Not the troops.
Not you nor I.

There is a war that's going on. badly. The congress is making me ill.

starwheel wrote on September 28, 2007 7:44 PM:

Oh Dear Lord.

All the Democratic leadership needs to do is contact the MoveOn.org folks and tell them they're sorry for stabbing them in back but they felt they needed to succumb to Republican thuggery.

Then we can all Move On.

Enough with these pointless resolutions condemning free speech.

Ni Daye wrote on September 28, 2007 9:28 PM:

Stop the silliness here! It is pathetic that somehow Democrats always get outmanuevered by teh GOPers. Democrats jumped on the Rush Limbaugh thing, thinking they had an openning here. By promptly denouncing Rush from the WH down to Romney, it only makes the Democrats look bad because most of Democratic leadership, including my supporting candidate, Hillary Clinton, did not denounce the stupid wording by MoveOn. Rush Limbaugh is an evil genius. He will take one for the team. The contrast here cannot be clearer. the underline message will be Republicans are ready to condemn one of their own. Why Dems cannot do the same? You want this fight? I am shaking my head here.

justjane wrote on September 28, 2007 9:33 PM:

Can we just bring a resolution up saying that Rush "is a mindless bottom-feeding bombastic idiot" and be done with it?

fishbrake wrote on September 28, 2007 9:43 PM:

"...it could look like a tit-for-tat reso in retaliation for the measure condemning MoveOn."

Yes, exactly. It would remind the Republicans they can be hit back. How else do we stop their serial misbehavior?

"...it's not Congress' job to go around denouncing the remarks, however reprehensible, of private citizens."

Then why did the Democratic Congress denounce MoveOn? They could have prevented that measure from coming to a vote and they didn't. So why stop this one on those grounds?

Why again is this a hard decision?

connski wrote on September 28, 2007 10:21 PM:

All hail Tubalard the Bold

Dismayed Liberal wrote on September 28, 2007 10:42 PM:

Anyone that doesn't want this to proceed because the Congress has better and more important things to do obviously hasn't been paying attention since November 2006. The Republicans have refused to allow any meaningful work to get done, so this Congress has been one giant waste of time. How anyone could pile on the Democrats for fighting back against a Republican Party that is the picture of obstructionism is beyond me.

Grow some balls people, or at least get out the way and STFU while the Democrats with some sense of justice slap these people around. Look, this isn't the ideal way for Congress to behave, far from it. But if the Democrats refused to send up this motion, the Republicans would take note of that and just be more brazen about their obstructionism, of which the Move On resolution was just the latest vivid example.

Munguza wrote on September 28, 2007 11:13 PM:

Glad to see the Dem's hitting back for a change.

If the Republican Right is going to use slander, disinformation and misdirection against legitimate critics, they must be slapped down hard --with the truth.

The GOP chickenhawks still do this stuff only because Dem's failed to hit back against the Swift Boat Liars, Saxby Chambliss' slander of Max Cleland, Falwell's claim that America "deserved what it got" on 9/11, etc., etc.

My only regret is that Udall didn't include a half-dozen more of the innumerable anti-American insults leveled by Republicans against our troops.

Bert wrote on September 28, 2007 11:18 PM:

Soooo....HOW much Halliburton stock does Fattie have? Hmmm....let's have a reality
show starring Flushrush himself, they've
got a reality show for everything else,
maybe the EIB(excellence in broadcasting
meets Expert Infantry Badge?) network
would be willing to cover Rush's costs
as he tries to survive 8 weeks of
basic training...I'll bet you could
sell a LOT of orange juice during THAT
show! LOL

Ferruge wrote on September 29, 2007 12:30 AM:

Ridiculous handwringing. "Oh, but it might look like tit for tat."

Well, of course it would - THAT'S THE POINT.

Yes, the whole exercise is idiotic - THAT'S THE POINT.

Sometimes, in order to illustrate the sheer idiocy of a situation, you have to take it to its logical (or illogical) conclusion to make it abundantly clear to everyone. It's a shame that it has to be that way, but frankly you're completely out of touch with reality if you think otherwise.

Condemn Rush Limbaugh. And then condemn all future condemnations, and then finally MOVE ON.

David Kurtz wrote on September 29, 2007 12:34 AM:

What a waste of time.

Bob Loblaw wrote on September 29, 2007 12:44 AM:

Bullies don't go away just by ignoring them.

Republicans are bullies.

Only weenies sit around hoping that bullies will simply reform themselves.

Jano wrote on September 29, 2007 12:46 AM:

To his resolution the good Congressman should introduce a new version of The Fairness Doctrine. This clap-trap is being rolled out on our public airwaves with no requirement for Clear Channel to air opposing points of view. I repeat this drivel is going out over our airwaves.

DM wrote on September 29, 2007 12:52 AM:

And your point is...? :-)

since it could look like a tit-for-tat reso in retaliation for the measure condemning MoveOn

della Rovere wrote on September 29, 2007 6:29 AM:

maybe I do not understand the political process very well at all and the great Democratic leaders who seem to be accomplishing so little really understand things so very well. So what if the resolution looks like tit-for-tat? If you want to stop the sort of diversionary and dishonest Republican attacks that they make instead of dealing honestly with their disastrous policies I think you have to make them see that swords cut two ways and they have to bear responsibility for the much more offensive speech and action that their extremist base says and does...or else renounce these acts and speech. Even Republicans, getting hit back, are capable of understanding they do not get carte blanche at obfuscation, dishonesty and hypocrisy. Ifyou do not respond,they will keep coming back looking for the next "swift- boat opportunity". One does not fight a street-fighter with polite discussion alone; some part of the fight must be in the gutter as well. If the great Democratic leaders are unwilling to fight, we must find new leader and if necessary a better vehicle for opposition than the Democratic Party.

disgusted wrote on September 29, 2007 10:13 AM:

As to the wisdom of introducing this resolution, don't forget the extent to which Congressional Democrats willingly dance to the Republicans' tune...witness the humiliation of their eagerness to take the Republicans' side against MoveOn. Tit for tat sounds good to me, but the humiliation would be complete if gutless Democrats can not bring themselves to condemn their Republican masters' voice. Perhaps it's better to leave this alone than to count on Dems to behave like an opposition party.

Jane wrote on September 29, 2007 10:16 AM:

The 'Publican party needs to have its hands slapped on this one. JMohr's idea of the resolution against Rush followed by the resolutio that such resolutions are a waste of time is good. Tit for Tat is a lot better than tit,tit, tit, tit which is what we have endured so far.

I do not have an objection to the Congress using speech to object to speech by Moveon or Rush. This is what the idea of free speech is all about. Criticism of poor leadership is during a war is important because otherwise poor policy continues to be followed. We need to ask the 'Publicans whether the silence regarding policy during the inception of the Iraq War has lead to a better outcome.

Thinking is democratic patriotism while self-muzzling is a facist norm which didn't work well for the Nazis either.

matmak wrote on September 29, 2007 10:35 AM:

Rush Limbaugh is a bully and his bully pulpit is broadcast all over the world. How many good soldiers heard his dispicable remarks, in this country and in Iraq. Soldiers are not allowed to be political, so they cannot really fight back. Who could fight back agaist this slime ball? The American Congress, that's who.

Let the fight begin.

Gopher Interloper wrote on September 29, 2007 10:43 AM:

"Dems could rise above it all, but of course no one would ever give them credit for doing this."

-- Their own party won't give them credit? What does this say about the condition of that party?

"It may be stupid, but that's how it goes."
"I would go foreward with the resolution. As soon as it passes, I would introduce a second resloution stating that it is not an appropriate use of the legislative process."
"I think we should err on the side of fighting back."
"[T]he MoveOn condemnation was a silly waste of time, but if that sort of thing is on the agenda ..."
"Sometimes, in order to illustrate the sheer idiocy of a situation, you have to take it to its logical (or illogical) conclusion."

-- Seems to be some kind of consensus that it's the wrong thing to do but it should be done anyway. How does that work? How is doing the wrong thing EVER the right thing to do? Not talking about choosing the lesser of two evils; talking about intentionally doing the wrong thing, when there is a right thing (whatever that might be) that could be done instead.

-- Maybe one thing we can agree on 100% is that, regardless of the subject matter, these resolutions are a waste of time. Unfortunately, the members of Congress introduce and vote on these things EVERY DAY when they're in session. Most of them concern praise directed at some prominent person or business concern in the legislator's home state/district. Read the Congressional Record; these resolutions are the one part of it that's actually amusing (and pathetic at the same time).

jim wrote on September 29, 2007 11:03 AM:

naaw.. they don't need to condemn rush by name .. they need to condemn the EIB network.

they didn't condemn any person by name in the MoveOn.Org issue .. they condemned the organization ..

same holds true in this case ..

Dismayed Liberal wrote on September 29, 2007 11:33 AM:

That's fine jim, this is no more about Rush Limbaugh or EIB than the Move On Resolution was about that organization. This is about Congressional Republicans and Congressional Democrats.

Bill wrote on September 29, 2007 11:40 AM:

Mark Udall can't use his own brain that Media Matters has to tell him what to think. Congress needs to take away his voting privileges until he gets a clue. Stop wasting your time and our money.

disingenous wrote on September 29, 2007 11:54 AM:

What is it about the democrats in power today that they simply are incapable of smelling things that are rotten?

this udall guy has fallen hook, line and sinker for whatever the point of this trap was or is, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Coonsey wrote on September 29, 2007 12:19 PM:

United States Constitution
Article I, Section 8

The Congress shall
Have Power To Declare War.

Raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

Provide and maintain a navy;

Make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
Provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

Provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

It’s time for Democrats and Republicans in Congress to stand up and be ‘counted’, once again. It’s time for them to do what our founding fathers set out for them to do, represent the People of these United States of America.

The Democratic leadership should immediately stop all other proceedings to pass a resolution telling the President of United States and his administration that it would be unconstitutional for them to go to war with any other country, especially Iran, without first going back to the Congress and asking them for a Declaration of War.

If the Democratic leadership and the Republican minority leaders refuse to do this, they all deserve to be immediately impeached for "treason or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

If the Democratic candidates for President in 2008 refuse to push for this resolution, they do NOT deserve to be elected into the highest office of our land. The same goes for the Republican candidates.

Coonsey's View: http://www.freewebs.com/coonsey/

Dickie Flatts wrote on September 29, 2007 12:55 PM:

Vote on it! Call you rep. Tell them to tack on a resolution condemning the Republicans calling Vietnam vet Chuck Hagel "Sen. Betrayus."

How much you make a bet the media will jump all over Democrats for it though. What is good for Republicans gets a pass, the press will attack Democrats (and weak knee'd Democrats will wilt).

TruthyFairy wrote on September 29, 2007 12:55 PM:

Let's see, if the Republicans can prevent measures coming up for a vote, why did the MoveOn.org condemnation resolution ever see the light of day?

The Demo's need to start focusing on what's real and not on white-glove bitch-slapping either MoveOn.org, Rush Limbaugh [obnox as he is and tempting tho it may be], the NYT, whatever.

How about, you know, ENDING the Iraq debacle? How about Universal Health Care? How about corruption of public officials? How about all those non-bid contracts for war-profiteering Bush political contributors?

They're worried about "looking patriotic"???

Turn on the lights and turn up the heat on real issues!!!

Dismayed Liberal wrote on September 29, 2007 1:14 PM:

TruthyFairy,

Universal Health Care will go nowhere until there's a Democrat in the WH, and majorities in both houses of Congress. Even then, I'm not sure, but at least we know we can really blame the Democrats for not passing it under such circumstances. Ending the war has absolutely 0 chance of going anywhere. While I completely agree that those two things would be far better for the nation, if achievable, I really don't think they are at this time. The Republicans need to be humiliated so that their will to obstruct diminishes. At this point, they have no reason to let the Democrats do anything. On one "filibuster" recently, Mitch McConnell actually couldn't supress his laughter when declaring on the Senate floor that he would be opposing the initiative.

Republicans think they are winning this Congressional session because the Democrats haven't been able to pass anything worthwhile, and they've refused to highlight the Republicans tactics to ensure that nothing can get done. They also think they're winning because self-identified Democrats give this Democratic Congress a lower approval rating than they gave the previous Republican Congress.

As far as this being a waste of time, I don't see why it needs to take more than a couple of hours to fully debate the resolution and have it passed. They just finished having the exact same debate over Move On's ad.

space wrote on September 29, 2007 1:27 PM:

There is a false dichotomy here. Choosing to engage in a tit-for-tat attack on a private citizen's Constitutionally protected speech and "doing nothing" aren't the only choices the Democrats have. There are other ways to fight back.

What I find much more objectionable than Rush spouting his nonsense here in America, is him getting a platform on Armed Services Radio while liberal voices and liberal blogs are blocked from the troops in Iraq.

Democrats should either vote to cut Rush off of Armed Services Radio or hold hearings to expose the partisan programming schedule.

That is the kind of meaningful "fighting back" that I would welcome.

gregor wrote on September 29, 2007 1:59 PM:

If the Dems do not pass this resolution, they lose the vote of this loyal supporter, who has been, together with his wife, voting on a straight Democratic ticket ever since he became a naturalized citizen in 1985. Not that it matters in larger scheme of things, but a small act of protest nevertheless. Enough of surrendering to the smear merchants and warmongers of the right.

Rich wrote on September 29, 2007 2:16 PM:

Dimayed Liberal said:

"Anyone that doesn't want this to proceed because the Congress has better and more important things to do obviously hasn't been paying attention since November 2006. The Republicans have refused to allow any meaningful work to get done, so this Congress has been one giant waste of time."

So let me get this straight, when the Democrats were the minority they couldn't get things done and now that they're the majority they still can't get things done?

Just like a liberal. Always someone else's fault.

fuzz wrote on September 29, 2007 3:50 PM:

Rich,

The president is a Republican and the Democrats don't have a filibuster-proof, much less a veto-proof, majority. The Republican minority is on track this year to triple the former highest use of filibuster in recent history.

How would you propose they get things done?

Never fear, though. Soon we'll have more of a majority in both houses and a Democrat president. And we'll get plenty of things done. Expect black, atheist, homosexual, feminist, government-funded, drug-using, abortion doctors to be dropped off by the busload in your community as soon as we have the power.

sammy1 wrote on September 29, 2007 4:06 PM:

Fire with fire.
As suggested previously, the wording should be as identical as possible to the MoveOn resolution.
We need to shine light on the hypocracy and the hypocrites.

KenHorse wrote on September 29, 2007 4:52 PM:

I bet not one person who's condeming Limbaugh actual heard (or read the transcript) what he said.

Once again, the Dems cherry pick one line and use it totally out of context.

IN FACT, Limbaugh was referring to ONE DISCREDITED WANNABE SOLDIER WHO IS PROVEN TO HAVE LIED AND FABRICATED NOT ONLY A STORY OF "ATTROCITIES" IN IRAQ BUT FABRICATED THAT HE WAS A SOLDIER AND THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And the Left eats this crap up... no wonder they're fricken morons...

Ms Fran McL wrote on September 29, 2007 4:57 PM:

Rep. Mark Udall (D-CO)>>MR Edwards and Mr Dodd.. RUSH was speaking of ONE soldier who lied! IS THIS ALL YOU HAVE?? gessssh grow up!!

YOUR entire party and MOVEON/NY TIMES trashed Gen Petreus in the hearings,and in the newspapers IT was a disgrace!!.....

GIVE US A BREAK AND GET SOMETHING DONE IN CONGRESS

I have listened to Rush for 15 yrs, he is MORE patriotic and respects the troops than the ENTIRE DEMOCRAT PARTY......HE was speaking of the guy who LIED and said he was a soldier...>>BIG DIFFERENCE

In a transcript of Thursday's show posted on his Web site, Limbaugh said the comment followed a discussion of Jesse Macbeth, who was sentenced to five months in prison earlier this month for collecting more than $10,00 in benefits to which he was not entitled.

Mark H wrote on September 29, 2007 5:31 PM:

Horse's mouth? This is an emission from the other end. The whole story is based on a LIE. Check Rush's transcript. The truth is out there if anyone cares to look.

Mad Dawg wrote on September 29, 2007 5:58 PM:

This is absurd. The article contains a LIE. Rush did NOT contend "that troops who don't support President Bush's war policies are "phony soldiers." Anyone who (a) knows enough to understand that the LameStreamMedia don't care about the truth, research, or objectivity, or (b) actually listens to Limbaugh on a regular basis knows that he made no such contention.

He DID note the eagerness of the loser-left to believe a guy recently sentenced for fraudulently making claims about service as an army ranger and decorations and rank bestowed during that service (or, uh, on other words for being a "phony soldier".)

But I'm wasting my time. Those who know, already know. Those who don't don't WANT to know. They just want to enjoy getting on Rush's case, and justice and truth have nothing to do with it. Let the apes chatter.

RegularJoe wrote on September 29, 2007 6:04 PM:

If this story was fact checked instead of just believed maybe we wouldn't be here now. Media Matters has been shown more than once to take things out of context to try to "make" a story that doesn't really exist. The main stream media and sadly now the congress is buying their version with no fact checking at all. What ever happened to actual journalism? The entire story is being fabricated to try to deflect the negative blow-back from the MoveOn add that WAS an attack on a military mans' character. Shamefull!!

KenHorse wrote on September 29, 2007 6:45 PM:

Media Matters is run by several major Clintonistas. They even admit they're non-partisan and "progressive".

As I said, fricken morons on the Left....

fuzz wrote on September 29, 2007 8:56 PM:

Well, let's look at the transcript of the entire call...

"LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.

LIMBAUGH: You bet.

CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly.

LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And --

LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."

CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what --

LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --

CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

CALLER 2: Exactly, sir."

If someone would like to refute that account, please point to the proof rather than referring to people as "fricken morons". Us morons have a funny way of looking at the world called the truth.

kilo wrote on September 29, 2007 9:13 PM:

as gigantic of a douche Rush is our gov't has better things to do than condemn morons.

makesenseofit wrote on September 29, 2007 10:11 PM:

I was to name my next child RUSH ...
or maybe DRUGGIE... or maybe DICK..
better yet NEWT would be different ..
but then again the name is already
taken ...
Oh, well better yet I will not have
another child and save the trouble...

sovereignson wrote on September 29, 2007 10:33 PM:

When will all of the so called 'informed' people demand a re-al-solution? I'm quite sure that if those responsible for the controlled demolition of the WTC and the countless others that became "accessories after the fact" to that crime, had received justice...There would be none of this nonsense!!!

deuce wrote on September 29, 2007 10:53 PM:

Sovereignson, you make a good point...The real problem is that we have REAL soldiers fighting a PHONY war!!! It is these 'so called' phony soldiers that are the 'REAL SOLDIERS', and true patriots!

May they succeed in discovering their true mission and their victory be complete...

fuzz wrote on September 29, 2007 10:56 PM:

I agree our government has better things to do than condemn morons, but sometimes the political path is a twisty one.

There are many issues at play here. A big one is the media slant to the right. It's more than an annoyance; it has a serious effect on our government and, in turn, our lives. It is an absolutely worthwhile endeavor for our government to work to balance that situation. Can they do it effectively? That's hard to say. The problem, in a nutshell, is that people on the right tend to be easily-led sheep and thus are able to act in unison, while people on the left tend to be free-thinkers with diverse beliefs and opinions. Well, that and the fact that the ultra-wealthy who own and thus control major media outlets tend to lean to the right because assisting the needy does nothing for them except subtract from their profit.

More to the point, though, I think the goal here is to cause an uproar, to cause people on both sides of the aisle to say, "hey, this is a colossal waste of time, let's cut this crap out--it's unacceptable to waste taxpayer dollars making political commentary." And yes, in a perfect world it wouldn't have to go down this way. But in our current reality I'm afraid it does.

Chris D wrote on September 29, 2007 11:02 PM:

How about a resolution that says " It is the sense of the house that the only reason not to pass a resolution condemning Rush Limbaugh's attack on dissenting soldiers is that the house has no business condemning constitutionally protected free speech."

Patrick Riot wrote on September 29, 2007 11:21 PM:

What you mean, 'constitutionally protected'? Haven't you heard...We have a decider now!!! You don't have to concern yourself with those petty things anymore. Now this is freedom!!!

DCB wrote on September 29, 2007 11:41 PM:

Mark is my congressman, and I have mixed feelings about this tit-for-tat too, mainly because I wish Mark would use his outrage where it really counts. Here is his response to my suggestion that he co-sponsor Kucinich's impeachment inquiry against Cheney:

"I am not a lawyer, but I take my oath to uphold the constitution very seriously, and I understand why many Americans believe the current Administration has failed our country. The constitutional grounds for impeaching and removing a Vice President must be specific and ought to come from considered investigation by the House Judiciary Committee. That committee has not such taken action. Based on what I know now, I am not persuaded that it would be good for our country for the House to take up a divisive impeachment proceeding against the Vice President. I opposed going to war in Iraq and disagree with many other policies of the Bush Administration, and will work to change those policies. But I think those changes should come through the normal legislative and political processes, rather than through impeachment."

He had a similarly weak response regarding impeaching AG AG. His usual tagline on responses to messages to him is a cumbayah of "I see my job as being about more than supporting or opposing legislation. I also see it as a chance to try to bridge ideological divides and to bring people together to solve problems."

Ah, the great empty middle.

uhoh wrote on September 29, 2007 11:59 PM:

i figured out why republicans are doing this.. they actually WANTED democrats to come out and condemn RUSH with a resolution, they knew another resolution would be introduced condemning criticising troops (and more importantly to them, military leaders, but they wont say that.)

then eventually, surprise! an amendment is proposed (LIKE THE FLAG BURNING DESCRATION AMENDMENT) wherein it will be a CRIME to criticise the military. and these old resolutions will be pulled out, and people will be smeared and bashed if they dont agree with it over their prior votes on the resolutions

god its so obvious on the face of it that this is where this is going.

chris wrote on September 30, 2007 12:10 AM:

Out of context again

matthew wrote on September 30, 2007 12:19 AM:

Does anyone really give a fat rats ass what Limbaugh says besides the unenlightened twits that listen to his drivel?The man is to be sidelined and ignored,not being focused on because of his caustic bloviating.Each and every member of congress needs a smack upside the head for chasing bullshit like this but keeping impeachment off the table.WTF.

Dan wrote on September 30, 2007 4:19 AM:

Fuzz,

When you posted that partial transcript, you conveniently forgot to include the next few transcripts.

Here's the rest of the transcript of that segment (before Rush cut to commercial) The last paragraph puts it all in context.

RUSH: You know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you sign up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan, or somewhere.

CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I've done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they're using in their IEDs. They're using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it didn't really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It's a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we're never going to find it.

RUSH: Well, that's a moot point for me right now.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that's moot. What's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.

Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque." Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse Macbeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.

Dan wrote on September 30, 2007 4:26 AM:

I meant the "next few paragraphs", not "the next few transcripts".

Sorry about that.

Larry wrote on September 30, 2007 5:18 AM:

It just goes to show that many fools listen to the media, but few check to confirm what they're being told!
Who was it spouting off that Republicans wanted to starve your schoolchildren & take prescription drugs away from seniors!?
Ignorance is blissful only when it goes un-checked... educate yourselves, quit beleiving everything you're told. Just because you saw/heard it on TV doesn't mean it's true!

you libs are nuts wrote on September 30, 2007 9:08 AM:

The only problem with this is that Rush never said soldiers who disagree with the war are phoney. He called people who washed out of boot camp then claimed to have gone to war and seen torture then get sent to prison for lying and falsifying veterans affairs documents phony soldiers.

But then again, the truth just gets in your way...

Dismayed Liberal wrote on September 30, 2007 10:44 AM:

All these people on here attacking this story as a lie, and defending Rush, are just afraid of where this might go. That's all the evidence I need that we need to keep the pressure up on this.

mmc9431 wrote on September 30, 2007 12:15 PM:

The time and energy would be better spent passing a resolution demanding that the president come to Congress before it can take military action againsy ANY nation. We can't let them hide behind the God and Country on another war front.

Dorian de Wind wrote on September 30, 2007 12:23 PM:

Rush Limbaugh has called service members who criticize or oppose the war in Iraq, "phony soldiers." Thus, according to Rush, the numerous American soldiers who, in spite of their opposition to the war, bravely followed orders and were injured or even gave their lives there (such as Omar Mora and Yance T. Gray who wrote an Op-Ed in the New York Times criticizing the war) are "phony soldiers." I served honorably for twenty years in the U.S. military, but today I oppose the war in Iraq. I assume Rush will call me a "phony veteran." Considering the source, a man who did not served a single day in the military, I would wear such an accusation as a badge of honor.

Major Dorian de Wind (USAF, Retired)

Tim J wrote on September 30, 2007 12:58 PM:

Hey, no need to waste Congress' on a limbaugh resolution. He's not that important...just a phony patriot.

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josh wrote on September 30, 2007 2:47 PM:

"since it could look like a tit-for-tat reso in retaliation for the measure condemning MoveOn"

So what? The whole moveon.org resolution was itself just a dishonest, dirty smear attack, which is all the Republicans have left.

This would would finally force the Republicans to show once for all if they actually do support the troops other than just for photo ops and political slogans, and if they refuse to support it show the public what hypocrites they really are. And it will clue is in on if the Dems actually have what it takes to fight back against what this morally and intellectually bankrupt excuse of a political party has done to America.

If they use these talking points such as saying Democrats don't "support the troops" then it should go both ways. In any case it's absolutely reprehensible a fat, drug-addicted slob who's never served anyone but himself calls our service men and women who use their right to disagree with Bush "phony soldiers."

Sonwabo Mda wrote on September 30, 2007 3:24 PM:

Referring to soldiers who do necessarity subscribe to President Bush's Iraqi policy as "phony" is as nasty as it gets. But coming from Rush Limbaugh is as unsurprising as it is unforgivable given the history of this man's vernomous verbal diarrhea which always has gone unpunished. As for the bill condermning him for slighting the troops, it does matter if the Republican would want to interprete it as an act of retaliation for an almost similar bill passed in the Senate to condemn MoveOn. The problem with Republicans is that they never practise what they preach.

Anonymous wrote on September 30, 2007 3:26 PM:

Referring to soldiers who do necessarity subscribe to President Bush's Iraqi policy as ''phony" is as nasty as it gets. But coming from Rush Limbaugh is as unsurprising as it is unforgivable given the history of this man's vernomous verbal diarrhea which always has gone unpunished. As for the bill condermning him for slighting the troops, it does matter if the Republican would want to interprete it as an act of retaliation for an almost similar bill passed in the Senate to condemn MoveOn. The problem with Republicans is that they never practise what they preach.

Will wrote on September 30, 2007 4:03 PM:

It doesn't matter to me whether he said "phoney" or "fake." Congress has no business penalizing anyone for exercising free speech. Rather they should draft the chickenhawk over to a "fake" unit in Iraq--anal cyst and all!

Dan wrote on September 30, 2007 4:27 PM:

Sonwabo Mda (or Anonymous),

You need to read the entire transcript of that discussion on Rush's show for yourself, rather than relying upon what someone else is reporting.

The first part of that transcript was posted by Fuzz at 8:56 pm. The second part was posted by me at 4:19 am.

You'll see that Rush was referring to people like Jesse Macbeth, who fake their military records and invent stories for the media.

E4Puke wrote on September 30, 2007 5:12 PM:

I guess the actual conversation no longer means anything. you just cut bits and pieces out and cut him off in mid sentence to make him sound like he is saying something he is not. then the useful idiots on the left eat it up and believe every word of it because everyone on the right is "evil", a "facist", "racist" ,"neo-con", "imperialist", or "fundemantalist christian". And this is all ok even if it is found out to be a lie (ala Dan Rather forging documents) because the main thrust of the "story" is true. Am I missing anything here?

Dismayed Liberal wrote on September 30, 2007 5:27 PM:

Dan,

I would suggest that you go back and read the entirety of the Move On ad, and not just the title of it.

Freely Speaking wrote on September 30, 2007 5:34 PM:

If Udall can find nothing better to do in service to his constituency than listen to talking heads on AM radio or waste the congresses time with meaningless resolution the the voters of his district should vote him out of office as they deserve better representation.

kris wrote on September 30, 2007 5:49 PM:

Democrats: Making things up as they go along. Great way to (try and run) a country. Another great waste of time and our tax money in order to vent their revenge.

Dismayed Liberal wrote on September 30, 2007 6:02 PM:

All you conservative concern trolls should be loving this "over-reaction" of ours if you believe all the garbage you're spewing here. Why even waste your time trying to argue with us? You should be relishing the thought of us throwing ourselves over the cliff on this one.

Quit wasting your time and ours...

ronn wrote on September 30, 2007 6:08 PM:

rush is calling people that never went to the military (Jesse MacBeth), but pose as they do phony soldiers. not the real soldiers that come back and denounce the war or express negative feelings about it.
This is so obviously a witch hunt directed at limbaugh. its especially obvious if you go to his website (not just moveon.org or cnn.com etc) and look it up for yourself.

Gopher Interloper wrote on September 30, 2007 6:31 PM:

Sonwabo Mda, it is a resolution, not a "bill". The difference is huge. Note the next response.

Will wrote: "Congress has no business penalizing anyone for exercising free speech."

Agreed, except to note that they won't be "penalizing" anyone, as -- even if they pass it -- the resolution would be NON-BINDING.

Semantics matter; even when one of these resolutions contains words like "condemn" or "repudiate" all it means is "we don't like what you said or did" ... the equivalent of a kid in the schoolyard saying "you're a poopyhead".

No matter the reasons, it is a huge waste of time.

Freely Speaking wrote on September 30, 2007 6:41 PM:

As I said before:

"If Udall can find nothing better to do in service to his constituency than listen to talking heads on AM radio or waste the congresses time with meaningless resolution then the voters of his district should vote him out of office as they deserve better representation."

Actually his constituents deserve real representation!

Gopher Interloper wrote on September 30, 2007 7:05 PM:

"All you conservative concern trolls should be loving this "over-reaction" of ours if you believe all the garbage you're spewing here. Why even waste your time trying to argue with us? You should be relishing the thought of us throwing ourselves over the cliff on this one.
Quit wasting your time and ours..."

-- Ah, yes. The whiny blogger's version of Eric Cartman's "Screw you guys, I'm going home," line. In this case it would be "Screw you guys, YOU go home", also known as the "You're not discussing this subject the right way; therefore, you shouldn't say anything," complaint.

And that, in a way, is a lot like one of these resolutions; except that, in this case, instead of just saying "I/We think what you said is wrong", it's that PLUS "because I/we think it's wrong, you should shut up".

PowderPuma wrote on September 30, 2007 7:06 PM:

Rep. Udall (D-CO) is STUPID for not researching what Limbaugh actually said before his knee-jerk decision to introduce a censure resolution. Limbaugh DID NOT, repeat, DID NOT say what the FOOL Udall accuses him of saying in his resolution. The Demonrats are going "over the cliff" on this one. I would say, let them make FOOLS of themselves, except for one thing: the Drive-By Media will not report the truth about what Limbaugh said, they will not report the FOLLY of Udall and his hypocritical censure reolution, and they will provide "cover" for the FOOL Udall. So it is time to overload the Congressional Switchboard on Monday and not let the Demonrats and the Drive-By Media get away with another "Big Lie".

Dismayed Liberal wrote on September 30, 2007 7:22 PM:

All of the Republican presidential candidates (McCain, Romney) that have had something to say on this issue have repudiated Rush. So it would seem that they were fooled just like Udall. Ah well, they can change their tune and fold like cheap suits to the "overload[ing of] the Congressional Switchboard on Monday..."

So why did Rush scrub his transcript if he said nothing bad about a subset (I'll give you that much) of the troops?

PowderPuma wrote on September 30, 2007 7:55 PM:

To "Dismayed Liberal":

Please invest ~8.25 minutes of your life in listening to what Rush Limbaugh actually said. Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY

You might wish to check out the "Morning Update" clip referred to above. Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Il0TJflq0&mode=related&search=

If you think these clips are "scrubbed", then spend $6.95 to subscribe to "Rush 24/7" for one month. You can then listen to the archived recording of the whole program (September 27, 2007, I believe) where the "phony soldier" comment occurred.

You must have courage to seek the truth. Do you?

Dennis V. wrote on September 30, 2007 10:22 PM:

Yawn... Another feeble attempt by the moonbats to try to get Rush. Ho Hum...

Ted wrote on September 30, 2007 10:30 PM:

"This is significant because it has the potential to dramatically up the stakes in this fight." Especially when you consider that the Democrats will look pretty bad when the truth comes out about what Rush really said. I listened to his show that day and they have it totally wrong. But I doubt that a little thing like the truth will not get in the way of a power-house like Move-On. "Phony solders" referred to soldiers who have lied about their military service and actually made up Iraq war stories that never happened because they were proved to never have been there. These people are desperate.

ALC wrote on September 30, 2007 10:51 PM:

Dumbest mistake that congress can make is giving this irrelevant blowhard any attention. They should do just as anyone with a modest amount of brain cells does, IGNORE HIM!

Jay wrote on September 30, 2007 11:56 PM:

Funny thing is, last Monday ABC ran a story on "Phony Heroes" that included Jesse MacBeth who Rush reffered to by name. I am just waiting for our "leaders" to condemn ABC for saying the same thing a few days earlier. Amazing at how knee-jerk our elected officials are. Don't they pay people to do more research than just surfing Huffington and Daily Kos?

nimrod wrote on October 1, 2007 12:44 AM:

So.... What do you call a soldier who washed out of boot camp, lied about going to Iraq, fabricated experiences he never had, and takes 10 grand in benefits that were supposed to go to veterans? 'Phony Soldier' seems pretty gentle to me. I don't think I would be so diplomatic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_MacBeth

Keith Hulst wrote on October 1, 2007 12:51 AM:

The democrats never squelch an opportunity to play politics or hurt a political opponent. Every action they make is a just another political calculation. Yes, there are "Phony Soldiers" and most definitely there are "Phony Politicians". I refer to the democrats as pandering opportunistic phonies, or "POPs" for my leftist friends who live by acronyms. I'll have to come up with another "O" word so that we can call them "POOPs", which actually describes what they spew out of their hate filled mouths most everyday of their pathetic lives...I live for the day that the majority of Americans will realize the democrats are just of bunch of pandering opportunistic phonies. When that day comes then peace and harmony can finally be within reach.

Keith Hulst
All-American Dad

Dismayed Liberal wrote on October 1, 2007 12:54 AM:

How about W. saying that Move On attacked the troops, and the military at large, when they made the Betray Us ad, rather than just the general himself? Was that not blowing the situation way out of proportion? How about the fact that Move On didn't come up with "Betray Us", but rather that it was a name coined by troops serving in Iraq? Does that diminish at all the contempt with which Move On should be held? It certainly increases my contempt for Bush and everyone that piled on Move On, even more so the Democrats that voted along side the Republicans to condemn them.

Truth wasn't too important to any of you a couple of weeks ago, now was it?

Keith Hulst wrote on October 1, 2007 1:09 AM:

To Dismayed Liberal

What were the names of those democrats and how many were there? I can assure you it was not a majority of democrats, unless the polls told them to vote otherwise. Every move is political to these people...don't kid yourself my friend.

Keith Hulst
All-American Dad

Keith Hulst wrote on October 1, 2007 1:11 AM:

To Dismayed Liberal

What were the names of those democrats and how many was it again? I can assure you it was not a majority of democrats, unless the polls told them to vote otherwise. Every move is political to these people...don't kid yourself my friend.

Keith Hulst
All-American Dad

nimrod wrote on October 1, 2007 1:13 AM:

It also seems to me one should be wise when choosing champions of the cause. IVAW and the other groups that promoted Jesse MacBeth wouldn't end up as fodder for Rush Limbaugh if they were a little more careful.

Lemme from Motorhead wrote on October 1, 2007 1:28 AM:

The suggestion that brave men and women serving this country who recognize the failure of leadership of this administration are ALL somehow phony, is outrageous, even from a disgusting cowardly drug-addled pig like Limbaugh. If you like this kind of thing then you are a rube, and the world will be better off if you ended your life. Limbaugh should be sent to Guantanamo and waterboarded. That would be funny! Rush, to call you a worm is an insult to worms.

nimrod wrote on October 1, 2007 1:43 AM:

That's how to win people to your side. Way to go Lemme. Good job.

Uncle Ralph wrote on October 1, 2007 1:52 AM:

Mr. Sargent would have us believe Rush Limbaugh put the "contention that troops who don't support President Bush's war policies are 'phony soldiers.'" I am an "ear-witness" to the original broadcast, and Mr. Sargent is in error; no such thing was said.

To Mr. Sargent and his editors: Facilis descensus Averni.

To all, read the excerpt from "Courting the Abyss: Free Speech and the Liberal Tradition"
by John Durham Peters at http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/662748.html

Just because Lincoln observed that some of the people can be fooled all of the time is no reason for them to be proud of it.

Progressive Patriot wrote on October 1, 2007 9:24 AM:

Ok, here is how this will play out if the vote is brought up. The Republicans will be complete hypocrates and will not vote for the resolution. The mainstream media being in bed with the conservatives will not point out the hypocracy but will go on praising Rush Limbaugh for having so much support and then they will chastise the Dems for wasting their time on such a petty resolution. The MoveOn vote will never be mentioned and the phoney outrage will start again but this time over the do nothing congress.

This is what happens when Defense contractors and retarded Australians own our media.

TPM=Useful Idiots wrote on October 1, 2007 10:21 AM:

Limbaugh was talking about FAKE soldiers (people who were never soldiers but pretend to be) who the Left uses to attack the war. TPM has also taken this issue totally out of context - you should do some BASIC research before you post the talking points from Media Matters and MoveOn.org.

ABC News did a story on these 'phony soldiers' a week or so ago. I guess they should be condemned too.

Noodlehead wrote on October 1, 2007 12:59 PM:

To Progressive Patriot

You're absolutely right; I couldn't have said it better myself.

And if the democrats put forth a resolution that the moon is made of cheese, you can be sure the biased all-conservative media will side with the spineless cheese-hating conservatives.

Hey, here's a thought... Before pontificating on the 'biased process', how about checking the facts of the accusation first. Your point, even if true (it isn't), is moot. Read the full transcript of that Limbaugh show, and you'll see for yourself the falacy of these accusation.

JNagarya wrote on October 1, 2007 9:13 PM:

"Matt in Costa Rica wrote on September 28, 2007 7:21 PM:

"The resolution needs to be presented. The MoveOn resolution was significant inasmuch it drove a wedge between MoveOn and democratic politicians. The same needs to be done to Rush, especially since he really is a traitor to our Constitution and a drug addict arm chair soldier. Can we put that in the resolution?"

Sure -- as long as it is further dressed up with official information on obtaining copies of each and every deferment from military service Ruch got. (We know it's Dick "5 Deferments" Cheney, and apparent record-holder, John "7 Deferments" Ashcroft. And that Bushit's deferment from reality setting in is permanent.)

If the Republican'ts can gain political support by admonishing MoveOn, then the Democrats can gain political support by admonishing Rush. If the Republican'ts don't want the Democrats gaining by that means, then the Republican'ts aren't allowed to either.

Kevin wrote on October 2, 2007 4:28 PM:

Are you folks deaf?

I heard the intire show that day, this is what happened. That day he was giving a couple of examples of people like this: There has a been a rash of soldiers who either washed out of basic training and never went to Iraq or they are giving hearsay "evidence" like Murtha, who once was a "soldier", and who will not apologize for flat out lieing about our troops' conduct in the field. Is there a a soldier or two who has messed up yes, but to lable all them murders like Murtha did, NO. And To not have to the Balls to apologize, That is disgraceful!

So Yes there are "phoney soldiers" out there giving false testimony and false witness. Rush Spoke the Truth.

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Righteous Bubba, I find you uninteresting.

And Kevin, you're a retard.

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