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Dems Debating Tonight On MSNBC
A quick reminder: The Democratic candidates are debating tonight in New Hampshire. Tune in to MSNBC at 9 p.m. ET, and watch the fun.
And in a sneak preview, Joe Biden will reportedly make sure to mention his victory in the Senate today, where a non-binding endorsement of his plan to partition Iraq was passed by an overwhelming 75-23 vote.
In addition, an ad will run during the debate from the California Nurses Association and the National Nurses Organizing Committee, attacking the top three candidates from the left. The spot will blast Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards for having health plans that rely upon private health insurance companies, rather than abolishing private health care and putting everyone in a single-payer system.















Obama will be under the highest pressure today. Yesterday's CNN poll showed he is in some trouble in NH, especially because that poll is confirmed by all the other polls of the last few weeks which show a stark decline of Obama's numbers.
September 26, 2007 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Health care? Policy towards Iraq? Troop withdrawals? Will these be talked about after the debate?
Hell no! What will be talked about after the debate is how the Democratic candidates responded to the MoveOn crap.
Daniel? Stop advertising....
September 26, 2007 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's hear it for the nurses. Clinton, O-Bomb-A, and Edwards are each selling out the American people with their phony health care plans.
September 26, 2007 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Although I'm a notorious Hillary supporter here, I am pleased the nurses are advocating for single payer system. Keep all the nominees feet to the fire on this one.
Single payer system probably ain't gonna happen, but it's the right way to go as I see it.
September 26, 2007 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Juan Cole on why partitioning Iraq is a fool-hardy idea:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/10/30/iraq_partition/index1.html
September 26, 2007 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
That ad is a horrible idea. Asking for the impossible is a great way to repeat the first Hillary healthcare plan that went down in flames. That's why the new plans start with a politically possible alternative that has a government plan competing with private insurers. If/when the gov't plan wins, it can be implemented across-the-board.
September 26, 2007 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The brilliant thing about Hillary's plan is that it creates a Medicare-like public option. If single-payer advocates are correct that that approach is best, then we should see more people using it and have statistics to show it's higher efficiency.
The funny thing about single-payer health care that I noticed is that even supporters are too scared to consider Hillary's Medicare option. This suggests to me that going from our crappy system right now to a single-payer system would not only get opposition from the insurance lobby, but from people as well--even likely supporters of single-payer.
BTW, I see many people still haven't gotten the facts about the first Clinton health care plan, which Hillary did not have complete freedom over its details.
September 26, 2007 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daniel:
Try reading that WMUR poll again.
17% had definitely decided on a candidate.
55% were firmly undecided, with the rest leaning towards a candidate.
Key takeaway: Only 17% of the electorate has made up their mind.
September 26, 2007 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards just mentioned Hillary's intention to continue combat operations in Iraq following the "withdraw." Good job Edwards. We need this distinction, and we need our progressive candidates pressing Clinton on the issue. At the very least, it will force her to clarify her position.
September 26, 2007 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
by the way, this is streaming live on msnbc.com
Unfortunately, you need to use IE, because msnbc is evil.
September 26, 2007 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
sigh. There goes Biden plugging his Iraq division policy. This makes me sick.
September 26, 2007 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama isn't taking the opportunity to respond to Gravel challenging his decision to miss the Lieberman-Kyl vote. Disappointing.
(I'll stop posting to myself now :) )
September 26, 2007 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Count how many times Hillary uses that awful, canned CACKLE. Who in the world is acising her that it makes her more warm and human? Sounds like a machine gun in distress. It needs to go with the next hairdo.
September 26, 2007 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahaha
Russert: "You made your point."
Gravel: "But I want to make a better point."
September 26, 2007 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is doing horribly. He seems uninterested, and unwilling to do much more than echo the statements of the other candidates (Dodd, Edwards and on a couple occasions, Clinton).
Also, Kucinich is getting a lot of zingers in tonight.
September 26, 2007 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush-Cheney lite wouldn't answer the questions.
September 26, 2007 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama and Clinton were just dead wrong on nuclear power. It is a completely unacceptable form of power generation: very unsafe for us and for posterity.
September 26, 2007 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think there's plenty of room for debate there. It's the only current available clean (disregarding, for a moment, disposal) scalable energy technologies. No other single technology available to us today could be make us completely energy independent. There are tons of issues, certainly, but I don't think they're insurmountable as long as we move carefully.
Yucca, while it has its problems, seems like the answer to a lot of the disposal issues. Yucca, of course, has its own problems. There are pros and cons for EVERY energy technology, and I think nuclear's pros significantly outweigh its cons. After all, biodiesel/ethanol, if expanded aggressively, would magnify destructive deforestation and habitat destruction and water shortages. Wind seems like the best option, but real estate, hearts and minds, cost and a number of other factors are holding it back. Coal is obviously another horrible solution. Solar is an option, and should be part of our energy equation, but the technology simply isn't there (people have been saying it will be there in 10 years for 30 years). To relieve the country's energy needs, using current and near-projection technology, solar just isn't realistic on a large scale for municipal energy generation.
I hope all these technologies continue to develop, but the left repulsion to nuclear is a knee jerk reaction. All these technologies have significant drawbacks. We need to figure out safe, scalable, effective methods to utilize these technologies if we're ever going to avert energy crisis, and extricate ourselves from the Middle East.
September 26, 2007 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards clear winner tonight:
Newsweek’s Howard Fineman: “Edwards Has Emerged So Far the Most Forceful Challenger To” Clinton. “From where I sit, Edwards has emerged so far the most forceful challenger to her (other than Tim Russert).”
http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/9/26/23634/6247
September 27, 2007 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agree that Edwards did a great job at portraying himself as the un-Clinton tonight, and Obama did not have a good night. But Clinton did not lose either; she was on the defensive most of the night, but she held her own!
Full detailed analysis here, on Campaign Diaries.
September 27, 2007 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have we really all resigned ourselves to this being a three-way race right now...a race that Hillary is almost certain to win? So much of the discussion after the debate was focused how Obama or Edwards stacked up against Hillary. I don't think most voters have even begun thinking about the election yet. It seems more and more that it's already over before it's even begun. Should we really let the pundits and pollsters be the ones to decide?
September 27, 2007 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
My heart is broken over Clinton's vote for the Kyl-Liberman amendment. This will be the "most hold my nose" vote I ever make if she gets the nomination. Meanwhile, some totally shallow frivolity for a depressing Thursday morning when hundreds continue to die each day in Iraq. Any woman who wears an orange suit like that doesn't have the judgement to be president. Even my husband said ouch when he saw it!
September 27, 2007 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink