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Spokesman: Romney Not "Equating Or Comparing Anyone" When Holding "Obama Osama" Sign

As you may have seen today, TMZ.com has obtained two photos of Mitt Romney posing with a supporter in South Carolina. The supporter was holding a sign with the homemade writing, "NO TO OBAMA OSAMA AND CHELSEA'S MOMA" (sic). In the second photo, Romney is himself holding up the sign with the supporter.



This obviously invited the question: Was it appropriate for Mitt Romney to hold up a sign likening Barack Obama to the leader of an international terrorist network, responsible for bloody attacks upon the United States, apparently all based on his name? After all, what would the media reaction be if Barack Obama posed with a supporter who had a sign comparing President Bush to Adolf Hitler? The press would go nuts over it, surely, and rightly so.

Election Central contacted Romney spokesman Kevin Madden for comment, asking if it was appropriate for the candidate to hold the sign up with the woman. "The governor stopped briefly for a picture with a supporter who just happened to be holding their own sign with an alliterative play on words," Madden said, via e-mail. "I don’t think it was equating or comparing anyone."

Late Update: Photos added with the permission of TMZ.


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Can't we all just leave Willard alone - he's just highlighting the dire need for a better education system here in the USA - especially in Republican areas of South Carolina - where standards in spelling and grammar have obviously deteriorated quite dramatically.

PKDU

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[This is too easy...]

So when did Chelsie Clinton become leader of an international terrorist network?

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"The governor stopped briefly for a picture with a supporter who just happened to be holding their own sign with an alliterative play on words,"

Kind of just ignored the other case where the candidate was holding the sign, huh? Or did they "just happen" to put it in his hands as the picture was taken?

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What?

The sign referred to Chelsea's momma. That's Hillary. Besides, it didn't equate Hillary or Chelsea to anyone or anything. That reference was for Obama.

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How did TMZ get these photos? Who sent them in?

Months ago, Rick Perlstein suggested that a suspect-conservative like Romney benefits from this sort of flap -- that he can say the liberal media is attacking his blunt conservatism.

It wouldn't be surprising if Romney's campaign released these photos.

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Shorter version: "Romney is a spineless, unprincipled jerk."

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Well we all know since it was a republican supporter then it's just good natured hijinks.
If it were any of the Democratic Party contenders and a sign disparaging any republican was in the same room the print and broadcast media would be demanding that that Dem candidate repudiate it.
An aside to all you interns working for the print and broadcast media shills:
Aren't you ashamed of yourselves? Your parents struggled or you struggled to pay tuition to become a Bush republican prostitute?

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"No to Mitt, Guilie, or McCain,
or anybody else who is insain" (sic)

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Careful, sam, you'll get Bill O'Riley accusing Josh of running a hate site.

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All the better. This is precisely the type of thing that solidifies Romney with the very hard-core while alienating pretty much everyone else.

That is, this the type of thing that could win him the primary, and then not get any more votes in the general than he got in the primary, you know?

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"anyone" would scan better than "anybody". Southerners may not know how to spell, but they've goth rhythm...

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When did Chelsea take over the Museum of Modern Art?

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WHO
CARES

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Ben Goshi & I collaborated on DKos for the one question we would post to Romney:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/7/21/173623/077/64#c64

Some people say that this is exactly the kind of hate speech that foments the kind of environment where Senator Obama needs early Secret Service protection. You would agree with those people who disapprove of such hate speech, or do you endorse it and the danger it brings to people like Senator Obama?

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Also, Kevin Madden doesn't appear to know what alliteration is.

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Oh, come on, leave Mittens alone! Everyone knows that the name "Obama" is as common as the names "Joe" and "John". Who doesn't have at least fifteen "Obama"'s in their address book!?

Hell, it's almost as common as the illegal use of law enforcement badges in Mittens' home state of Massachusetts as a low-life entitled classist candidate's means of exercising one's greater status and the privileges and rights attendant thereon.

Next you'll be accusing Mittens of being a flip-flopping opportunist who'll say anything to get elected, even the overtly racist, and that his only core value is that he has no core value.

Even if all those things were true about Mittens, Guliani is a liar too.

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And not so subtle (exploiter of the) racist.

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Question: The seven word incantation that changed Mitt to Mutt.

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Well, six words. "Moma" is a mutt like Mitt is.

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don't do the GOP's work by showing these pics and giving them some importance. There's about a million more important things that will resonate with people more. It doesn't matter if Romney looks like a jerk. He'll never be president this cycle. It does, however, solidify these ideas in the minds of the voters. Unconsciously, voters will make the connection between Obama and Osama. The Dems are lightyears behind the GOP in their exploitation of basic human cognitive psychology. They do this stuff all the time.

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Mittens is (sorta like Cheney) a Big Game hunter: he has a million ways to shoot himself in the foot.

And he has an endless supply of feet, some of which he stores in his mouth.

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Some of us are very much aware of the not-so-subtle subliminal racism in the poster -- which comes directly from moronic fake FOX "news" to the morons who repeat it, replete with misspellings (even when only speaking). But the explanation of that is too sophisticated for the morons to understand. What they do understand is personal attack -- ridicule. They will laugh at ridicule before they will concern themselves with the target of the ridicule.

And when it comes to opportunities for ridicule, Mittens (like Guliani) is a gift that keeps on giving.

Watch: Mittens' campaign appeal to Hispanics will be:

"We don' neeed no steenking batches!"

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Morons have a right to political representation too. Problem is, those they help steal elections have the gall to impose their view that they're the president of everyone else too.

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we can only hope Romeny is the nominee.

LMAO. imagine a Mormon at the top of the ticket. it would be a landslide victory!

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Well Mitt, looks like you got the dumb blond hate vote all sewed up. Who knew when you talked about varmit hunting that you were the varmit?


Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
P. J. O'Rourke

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I don't think it was wise for Romney to hold up a negative campaign sign. I did not, however, read the sign as comparing Obama and Osama. It seemed to be a quickly prepared (and insensitive) use of alliteration to say: "No to Terrorism, and No to the two Democratic frontrunners", who the Romney suppoter must feel are not tough enough. Trying to spin this into a controversy (and invoking Hilter???) is just irresponsible. Rommney has plenty of substantive philosophical and policy related baggage that should be the focus of efforts to defeat him.

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You're reading a comma where none exists. The sign is clearly taking advantage of all of the bigoted statements made in the news media earlier this year to remind people that Obama has a Muslim name, just like Osama.

To help you with the Hitler analogy, imagine a supporter's sign held by Hillary Clinton stating "No to Mitt Hitler" WITH NO COMMA. Would you advise Romney's supporters to just ignore it?

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I don’t think it's equating or comparing anyone to suggest that this makes Mitt Macaca's papa.

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And your post is not a personal attack? Somehow when I read it, the word that came to mind was not "sophisticated" but "paranoid." Continuing the Bush-Clinton era cycles of partisan warfare solves nothing.

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Looks like this is what it takes to get a photo with Mitt.

I think that should be the message.

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Are you serious? Do you really want to argue about missing "comma placement" in a 7-word rally placard (with misspellings) that most people read, like I did, in a split second. I think you are reading a conspiracy where none exists. Enough of the "gotcha" culture. Let's focus on substance.

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When I see "Some people say," I think of Fox News and aa Bush-style introduction for a simplistic, straw man, either-or choice.

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Continuing the Bush-Clinton era cycles of partisan warfare solves nothing.

Right on.

My mother used to tell of two cereals that dominated the market when she was a little girl.

The advertising wars were supplemented by partisans on both sides who said their cereal tasted better and/or was more nutritious than the other cereal.

Both cereals were made in the same factory and in the same vat and poured into different boxes with different labels.

The DLC determined that the only way to make the Democrats competitive with the Republicans was to make them pretty much the same. And thus Bill Clinton and his appeal to the privileged classes.

There is a chance this cycle that the Democratic Party will finally return to its roots.

That would be nice.

Best, Terry

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"Say no to terrorism"? Is that really what we're supposed to believe the sign was saying? Wow, what a bold stand for Mitt to take.

Give me a break. Mitt got caught red-handed in the same way that the RNC tries to depict Howard Dean or Hillary as Hitler. These "folks" deserve all the scorn they get for it. Nip it now in the bud if you want to raise the level of discourse in this country.

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"No to Nazi General Romney Rommel"

Come on, people; let's get the signs made and the T-shirts printed.

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"Say no to KKK Huckabee and Republikans"

Hey, this subliminal suggestion stuff is easy!

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One argument I'm seeing made is that publicizing this sign only does the GOP's work by putting the "Obama/Osama" smear out there on full display. 

I disagree.

Obama's name is always going to rhyme with Osama, so this particular smear is not going away any more than good old "Adam and Steve."  After all, rhyming is the maximum level of sophistication for the troglodyte wingnut mind.  So if Obama manages to win the primary, he will be seeing a lot of this rhyme.  Unless, that is, he can make comparisons of him to Osama Bin Laden politically radioactive.

If I were Obama, I'd go nuclear on Mitt for this.  If he can damage Mitt badly enough - and force an apology - it will not only defuse the "Obama/Osama" smear by connecting it to Romney's losing campaign, but he will also put it "off limits" for other campaigns going forward.  Unfortunately, it won't be easy.  The media is not going to react to this picture like it would if Obama held up a sign comparing Bush to Hitler.  Conservative pundits like O'Reilly and Hannity are always ready to crank up the outrage for such an offense...but the pathetic group of pundits who wear the "liberal" labels in our national media are all too cool for school.  They would never get worked up over such name calling.  They know Republican voters loves this stuff and are afraid to say so.  So attacking Romney has its risks.

Still, I would do it for one reason: Romney is the only candidate stupid enough to hold the sign himself.  Any other candidate would rely on his surrogates or supporters to deliver the smear.  It creates an opportunity for a direct attack on Romney himself, which could create enough extra buzz to make a mark. 

Again, the Obama/Osama rhyme - and all the implications that go with it - is not going anywhere.  Better to use Romney's stupidity to defuse the issue now than let it ripen for the general election.  Besides, this is a chance for Obama to show he can fight...

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I agree. If I were the campaign, I'd definitely release some sort of statement. Given their themes, I'd say their statement should read something like this:

"Pictures surfaced yesterday of Mitt Romney tacitly endorsing a crude and hateful sign that compared me to Osama Bin Laden. This is exactly the type of politics my campaign is trying to move beyond. I call on Mitt to not apologize to me, but rather to the American people, for thinking so lowly of them as to believe they'd actually be persuaded by such ignorance. By campaigning in the gutter, Mitt does a disservice to us all"

Or something like that.

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Or Obama could ignore it and focus on things that matter to the nation.

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I'm not arguing about comma placement at all. I'm stating, correctly, that your interpretation of the sign is based on a misreading, an assertion that you made no effort to defend. The sign no more said "No to Osama" than it said "The moon is made out of green cheese."

Nor am I arguing about "conspiracy" (your word).

It is conforting to think that if we simply ignore inappropriate behaivor by candidates they'll simply go away. But I don't think it's true. It is both possible and necessary to condemn inappropriate behavior by the candidates as well as "focus on substance."

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Like John Kerry ignored the Swift Boat attacks?  Last I checked, standing up for yourself matters in American politics.

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I don't think it's a big leap to read the sign as "Obama-Osama", one entity that equates the two, seeing as how Rush did that himself just over a week ago

Nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh repeatedly called Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "Obama Osama" and "Osama Obama" during the July 11 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show. In criticizing a July 10 speech by Obama in Eatonville, Florida, Limbaugh added "Osama" to the senator's name seven times.
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party-of-one, I suggest you take a cruise over the FAQ page to read up on the guidelines for rating comments:

Readers trying to participate in discussions in good faith should never be given ratings of 1s or 0s.  Those ratings are reserved for clearly inappropriate behavior or content -- obscene or offensive language, ethnic slurs, spam, disruptive behavior, extreme ad hominem attacks.  This isn't an exhaustive list.  But the key point is that you do not give a 1 or 0 to someone's comment just because you think their comment is stupid or because you strongly disagree.

Maybe you haven't read it since you've only been a member for three weeks - but ratings of 0's and 1's are not appropriate for comments like the one above.  Maybe gjdodger's joke is not in the best taste, but considering Romney's actions, it should be taken with a serious grain of salt.  (To spell it out, gjdodger is making a joke about extreme political language in response to Romney's actions - not conducting an ad hominen attack against Romney by calling him a Nazi.)

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I rated up to counter the inappropriate "0" rating. I suggest others do the same

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Mmmmmm, I would go a bit stronger.

"Yesterday, pictures surfaced showing Mitt Romney holding a sign comparing me to the biggest mass murderer in American history.  In the picture Mr. Romney - who doesn't even know me - is grinning as he accuses me of being one and the same with pure evil.  This is not just unacceptable, it is disgusting.  I have not met Mr. Romney and I cannot look into his heart, but his actions suggest that he is willing to sink to any depth, to cross any line, to say anything - no matter how reprehensible - to get elected.  It must stop.  Mr. Romney's crass comparison is not discourse or political speech.  It is filth.  It is pure hatred, and there is no room for it in America.  I demand an immediate apology from Mitt Romney for his disgusting, dispicable actions."

Or something along those lines.  The important thing is to respond swiftly.  Doing nothing empowers the right.

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Talk about willful ignorance. The meaning of the sign is obvious. The sign maker favors Romney over the two major Democratic candidates:

1. "Obama Osama"

and

2. "Chelsea's Moma"

How do we know this?  Because the rightwing has been making "Obama/Osama" jokes for months now.  Just like they make jokes about Obama's middle name, Hussein.  This is not some new smear.  It's the same smear they've been using for months.  The meaning is obvious.

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Thank you.  I hope this puts the "conspiracy" talk to rest.

"Obama Osama" has been dittohead material for a long time now.  The person who wrote Romney's sign was repeating a smear that has been circulating in the rightwing fever swamps for months.  Interpreting it any other way is simply incorrect. 

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The person who wrote Romney's sign was repeating a smear that has been circulating in the rightwing fever swamps for months. Interpreting it any other way is simply incorrect.

Not only would it be incorrect, it would unnecessarily--nay, inappropriately--generous.

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Jebus I wish I lived on your planet. They stick to the issues and just talk about substantive stuff there, huh? Pretty cool. And turning the other cheek and meekly not responding to this kind of smear job actually works to get you elected? That must be a great place to live. Not like here, though. We have this really crappy system, and the guys who refuse to play by it always seem to end up in second place. "People love Dems who submit meekly and hate the ones who fight back!" seems to be the kind of advice our guys are always losing with.

Wish I lived on your planet, though. Clearly it's a much better one than this one.

[edit: Submitted as reply to party-of-one at 10:32am. Silly system lost that when I logged in apparently.]

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His laugh won't last long. The primary election will wipe it off!

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/07/mitt-romney-may-laugh-now-but-his-laugh.html#links

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This is just another simple example of a GOPer pandering to the stupid and crazy - i.e. HIS BASE. Evidently, Mitt believes that the enough of the American people are as stupid and crazy as the folks to whom he has to pander, in order to win his Party's nomination.

My suggested response from Obama:

"The American people aren't interested in the incompetent and failed polices of the Republican Party. Such polices, clearly represented by Governor Romney, specifically and the field of Republican candidates, generally, have landed us in the position we are currently in.

In 2008 the American people have a choice between candidates who are prepared to tackle the difficult issues facing the American public: the disaster that is the war in Iraq, the economy, health care, education, etc. OR we can chose the miguided approach emodied by Governor Romney, a candidate who consideres comparing my first name to that of the criminal whom the GOP has failed to bring to justice (or even adequately pursue), clever and whoes version of well-thought out national security policy solely consists of 'double Gitmo.'

I don't think that the American people are in the mood for Bush times 2."

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As an aside, I wish politicians wouldn't lend their credibility to the dragging of other politicians' children into political fights. Chelsea Clinton isn't fair game.

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I was simply asserting, correctly, that your interpretation of the sign constitutes a vast overeach worthy of conspiracy theorists. If you feel compelled "to condemn" a candidate's behavior based on a snapshot of a crudely-made placard at a campaign rally, enjoy yourself. I'm no Romney fan, but holding a candidate personally accountable for every word they touch and every opinion rally participants express seems an impossibly high standard. Will you apply it to all candidates and all rallys? I'll continue give amatuerish placards the quick read they deserve and save my scrutiny for policy debates and platforms.

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Valid points. It may be naive, but I see even greater harm coming to the nation if we can't elevate political debate and end the absolutely unproductive cycles of partisan warfare that the Bushes and the Clinton thrive on.

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Thanks Owenz. I did read the FAQ as your recommended. Actually, I find comparisons of legitimate, elected American politicians of either party to Hilter and the Nazis to be highly offensive.

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Oh man. "an alliterative play on words". I just laughed out loud.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let Romney be the nominee.


"Truth forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne"
-James Russell Lowell

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I can see the sign being read with the comma, or without. It's not much improved by the addition of the comma, though.

There are several issues here, I think.

One is what constitutes a gaffe by prevailing media standards for (Democratic) candidates. By those standards, I think for Mitt Romney to stand smilingly beside someone holding this sign is unquestionably a gaffe. It's not something that I would base my vote on, but it's a gaffe.

A second issue is whether those prevailing media standards, and the degree to which the media focuses on "gaffes," actually contribute to political discourse.

A related question is mebbe how to deal with what one considers frivolous controversy-mongering. Do you demand that the coverage of gaffes be at least equally frivolous for all candidates? Do you demand a stop to the silliness altogether? Ignore it all? Or...?

IMO, there is an imbalance in how gaffes are covered by mainstream media, most of it derived from decades of conservative activism in working the media refs, countered by almost no similar activism from the left.

On the one hand, some liberals find the whole concept of working the refs objectionable, but on the other hand, the effects of working the refs are much worse when only one faction does it.

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Ha! I thought of the MoMA as well.

At first I was outraged that someone would make such an inflammatory sign, but when I realized that the woman can't spell and her attempt to be witty and malicious was as as sharp as a box of hair, I just pitied her (What desperate fool involves Chelsea in a smear?).

The fact that both this woman and Mitt Romney are so damn proud of themselves is the perfect snapshot of the right-wing.

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It goes to attitude and character, that he would participate in language and images such as that. I can see, to a certain extent, how he could have his picture taken with someone carrying that sign, given the emotion and excitement that accompanies a rally. However, taking that sign and hoisting it yourself, then not realizing the error you've made and moving heaven and earth to make certain it never sees the light of day, well that's something entirely different. Compounding the whole issue is sending your campaign toadies out to ridicule anyone daring to bring it up, and trying to make light of it. Don't insult me. Admit you screwed up, apologize, quickly, and try to get it behind you. Don't they ever learn?

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I'm of several minds on this.

The first says that Obama, Clinton, and Dems should just ignore this. It's simply playing off the extremist assertions about an Obama connection to Islamic terrorists, à la the madrassa "connection" and Limbaugh referring to Barack Hussein Obama. Ugly to bring Chelsea into it, but she can doubtless handle it.

Then there's the one that wants to hit back. Condemn this sign and Romney's implicit agreement with it as the personal attack against Obama that it is, trumpeting the hate-speech aspect with which Romney seems sanguine. Decry the tackiness of mentioning Chelsea at all. Who one's parents are should not make a daughter or son fair game. If you don't hit back, you put yourself in Kerry's position with the Swift Boaters, as a comment above pointed out. Play as dirty as the Repubs do, because the only way to counter stuff like this is to out-shout it.

My third mind would love to take the complete high road and let it pass without mention, but it knows that there should be some response. But that response needs to be tempered by that high road. Fighting back with ad hominem attacks lowers the Dem candidates and their supporters to the level of those who cynically engage in those attacks to sway emotions. Object to the action, not the person who's doing it.

So this mind wants Obama and Clinton to address the distasteful words on the placard and not the person who wrote them or Romney for holding up the sign. Condemn the action and not the actors. Go so far as to say that someone who is running for the country's highest office demeans that office by literally supporting personal slurs, and that the judgment in that moment deserves to be questioned. So it's not Romney who's being criticized; it's his actions and judgment. Don't even bother to mention the Romney supporter, except to express dismay at what's on the sign.

I just don't want Democratic candidates to buy into the nastiness of Conservative extremists. I want them to be better than that. Judging by Hillary's reactions to both the YearlyKos-O'Reilly thing and the Under Secretary of Defense's inappropriate letter, I think she'll take the approach my third mind has. That's the one I'd like to see us all take, so we are not reduced to attacking the person instead of the actions.

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Here’s to Mitt’s hack, Mr. Madden!

Your forked tongue would normally sadden,

Anyone with a soul

(Not a Coulterish black hole).

’Tis Osama whose heart you do gladden!

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"sign with an alliterative play on words"

Um, I don't think this is alliteration. It's rhyming. Is this someone trying to sound more educated than he really is?

......no, that couldn't be it, could it?

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Yeah, the right using "obama osama" to plaster Obama with negative connotations is the stuff of "conspiracy theories"

Schlussel: Should Barack Hussein Obama be president "when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam"?

In a December 18 column headlined "Barack Hussein Obama: Once a Muslim, Always A Muslim" and posted on her website, right-wing pundit Debbie Schlussel argued that because Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) middle name is Hussein, his late, estranged father was of Muslim descent, and he has shown interest in his father's Kenyan heritage, Obama's "loyalties" must be called into question as he emerges as a possible Democratic presidential candidate. In the column, Schlussel asked: "So, even if he identifies strongly as a Christian ... is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be?" She ended her column by asking if Obama becoming vice president instead would be acceptable. Answering her own question, she wrote: "NO WAY, JOSE ... Or, is that, HUSSEIN?"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200612200005

Greenfield and now Matalin defend Obama-Middle East references as a joke

Summary: Mary Matalin said discussion about Sen. Barack Obama's middle name, Hussein, is "really about nothing" and responded that co-host Alan Colmes should "get a sense of humor" after Colmes requested that Matalin ask her "conservative friends to drop the 'Hussein.' " CNN's Jeff Greenfield had similarly claimed that he was joking when he likened the style of Obama's clothing to that of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

On the December 14 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, Republican political strategist Mary Matalin said discussion about Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) middle name, Hussein, is "really about nothing" and responded that co-host Alan Colmes should "get a sense of humor" after Colmes noted "many conservative bloggers and some conservative talk show hosts [are] emphasizing his middle name," and requested that Matalin ask her "conservative friends to drop the 'Hussein.' "

Two days earlier, CNN senior political analyst Jeff Greenfield had explained on the CNN website that he was making "a joke" when, on the December 11 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, he compared the similarity of Obama's "business casual" clothing to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's "jacket-and-no-tie look."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200612150011

On three separate occasions during the February 16 broadcast of his show, Newsradio 850 KOA host Mike Rosen called U.S. senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama (D-IL) "Barack Osama." Rosen later claimed that he had made a mistake, explaining that "because of the mindset we have where we're familiar with Osama bin Laden," it is "easy" to say "Osama" instead of "Obama."

Rosen and John Fund, senior editor of The American Spectator, were discussing Obama's February 11 comment that the thousands of American lives lost in the Iraq war were "wasted." The Washington Post reported on February 12 that "[t]he senator from Illinois later said he regretted his choice of words, telling an interviewer that he meant the troops' sacrifices 'have not been honored' by an adequate policy."

Rosen explained his use of "Barack Osama" nearly 10 minutes after he said it for the third time, after KOA apparently received phone calls from listeners wanting to know if Rosen had intentionally invoked Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden when referring to Obama. Rosen claimed to have "stumbled once or twice," calling his slips "an honest misstatement" and "not a cutesy play on words on [his] part." During his explanation, Rosen twice repeated "Barack Osama."

http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200702160005

Naw, nothing to see here, just a bunch of liberal conspiracy theorists.

Hmmm...

a right-winger on craigslist

Obama/Osama '08!!! Easy on Terrorists,,, Reply to: see below Date: 2007-07-18, 12:19PM EDT


YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Terrorism!

And this wouldn't be complete with the Corner

Obama/Osama [Jonathan Martin]

I saw at lunch that CNN was doing a package on, get this, how a certain Illinois senator's last name sounds like, you guessed it, Osama. Oh, and his middle name is, can ya believe it, Hussein. They even rolled out the requisite man-on-the-street footage to get react from John Q Citizen(s).

Right wing blog post titled Doozie of the Day: Barak Obama Osama Yo Mama to discuss his stance on aid to Palestine.

And the icing on the cake:

From our That Which We Call a Rose Chronicles, in which the singularness of Senator Barack H. Obama’s name flusters the unworldly, trips up the well meaning, or is exploited by his political opponents, we bring you Alexandre Batlle of Miami Beach, Fla., by way of The Smoking Gun.

Actually, we’re not sure where Mr. Batlle fits — though his case certainly signals that the American reflex for profit-chasing knows no bounds, and is unhindered by political loyalties.

Seems Mr. Batlle recently plopped down $325 to file a trademark application on the name Obama bin Laden. Now, make sure you read that closely — that’s Obama bin Laden. Get it? Not Osama, but Obama!

Oy.

Last Tuesday, Karen K. Bush, a lawyer for the United States Patent and Trademark Office, denied the trademark application, citing laws barring “scandalous” trademarks, those that create “false associations,” and other problems.

In this passage from Ms. Bush’s decision, which is posted at the Smoking Gun Web site, she attempts to explain to Mr. Batlle about “scandalous” trademark law:

To be considered “scandalous” a mark must be “shocking to the sense of truth, decency or propriety; disgraceful; offensive; disreputable; … giving offense to the conscience or moral feelings; … [or] calling out for condemnation,” in the context of the marketplace as applied to goods or services described in the application. …

The term BIN LADEN in the proposed mark refers to the individual Osama bin Laden. The terrorist acts perpetrated by this individual’s organization on Sept. 11, 2001, have caused the name BIN LADEN itself to be synonymous with the acts themselves. As such, the name BIN LADEN is scandalous and not registerable.

Incidentally, Ms. Bush also rejected the mark on the grounds that neither Mr. Obama nor Mr. bin Laden had given their consent.

Mr. Batlle, who describes himself as “more of a Democrat,” has told various media that he was simply interested in “making a buck.” Toward that end, he arranged to peddle T-shirts, coffee mugs and ball caps, emblazoned with cheeky artwork, including the image above, through a Web site he registered in January — Obamabinladen.net — with a legally obtained trademark.

As The Miami Herald notes this morning, he remains undeterred by the rejection, and the sale of the these items continues — sans trademark.

Mr. Batlle told The Herald that sales have been slow. ‘’If Obama wins the presidency, I think there will be more of a market for this stuff,'’ he told the newspaper. “Even if he doesn’t win, he’s still going to be a big-time political figure for the rest of my life.'’

He has six months to appeal the trademark rejection — something he told The Herald that he’s considering. From The Herald:

‘’My cousin’s wife — she’s a trademark lawyer — she offered to appeal it for me,'’ Batlle said. “I’m thinking about it. I think I should get some credit for all of this.'’

NY Times

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was simply asserting, correctly, that your interpretation of the sign constitutes a vast overeach worthy of conspiracy theorists

Interpreting a phrase from a right-wing partisan to read exactly in the manner that many nationally-recognized right-wing partisans have used it for months is a "vast overreach"? LOL at you announcing yourself "correct" here when you couldn't be more wrong, and more of an apologist for demagoguery.

If you don't pay attention to talk radio, Fox news, Drudge, The Corner, etc...more power to you. But then don't pretend to have any sort of authority on what is and is not common-place amongst the regulars in those places. "Obama-Osama" is not something I just conjured up out of the ether. As I noted, its something even Rush Limbaugh has used edti: wrong year, oops.

At this point, you're either too stubborn to admit you're wrong on this point, or simply willfully ignorant.

If you feel compelled "to condemn" a candidate's behavior based on a snapshot of a crudely-made placard at a campaign rally, enjoy yourself. I'm no Romney fan, but holding a candidate personally accountable for every word they touch and every opinion rally participants express seems an impossibly high standard.

If the candidate tacitly endorses the sign by posing for a picture next to it while grinning, then grabs the sign himself and holds it up...yes, I do feel compelled to condemn him. As should you.

If the sign had explicitly said "Obama is a terrorist" would that be worth condemning? Or would you apologize for that as well?

I dunno, maybe I just value things like "judgment" in a candidate, I guess I'm crazy. I guess Mitt's demagoguery should be ignored so we can focus on the details of the reams of policy papers he's circulating.

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Do you always characterize people you disagree with as "ignorant"? I fully understand your world view now. It offers nothing of value for a reasonable discussion. Peace.

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Are you ok? Looks like you went off the deep end.

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1-I didn't call you ignorant. You could simply be stubborn.

2-But this isn't a question of mere difference of opinion. Its not subjective. You calling my interpretation an overreach worthy of a conspiracy theorist makes a factual claim about the prevalence of use of the phrase in the manner I described by the people in question. Your complaint only makes sense if there haven't been a whole host of instances of people using the phrase "Obama-Osama" or otherwise explicitly comparing the two. Of course, there have have been a whole host of such incidents. The fact that you think my interpretation is the stuff of conspiracy theories, then, can only be borne of ignorance to that fact. Or a stubborn nature in the face of those facts.

3-In response to this: <blockquote> It offers nothing of value for a reasonable discussion</blockquot>

...I can only laugh.  I've offered nothing but support for my viewpoint.  You've continued to steadfastly deny what is obviously true.  Who's not bringing anything of value?  

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I believe the repetition of O's, M's and A's is alliteration. There is also a rhyme.

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I'm just fine. I simply typed "obama osama" into google and copy-pasted for about 2 minutes. Took next to no effort.

Do you always accuse those who embarrass you in argument by presenting actual evidence of their viewpoint as going "off the deep end"?

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Nope. Alliteration has to be either the first letter consonant or a first-syllable vowel sound.

EDIT: actually, you're correct..O-bama, O-sama, m-O-ma...3 O's in a row in the 1st syllable is alliterative.

The M's and A's, however, are not.

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From the Oxford American Dictionary, bundled with Mac OS X Tiger:

"Alliteration: The occurrence of the same letter or sound at the beginning of adjacent or closely connected words."

I'm pretty sure this "play on words" is not alliterative.

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mmm...I'm divided. The O's at the beginning of Obama and Osama actually could be alliterative with a similarly pronounced O in the 3rd word, but the O in "moma" (lol) is actually prounced, well, "ah".

So, I'm back-tracking again on this, and am gonna say its not alliterative, cause its not the same sound.

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Thanks. The repetition of vowel sounds, I guess, is Assonance.

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The long vowel "O" works. So I guess it's both alliterative (with the O's) and a rhyme. And on top of that, it's bigoted and immature!

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"Condemn this sign and Romney's implicit agreement with it as the personal attack against Obama that it is, trumpeting the hate-speech aspect with which Romney seems sanguine. Decry the tackiness of mentioning Chelsea at all."

It is utterly moronic to claim that such a valid and appropriate response is "dirty" or is "ad hominem" or "buy[s] into the nastiness of Conservative extremists".

"so we are not reduced to attacking the person instead of the actions"

The action was to hold up the sign, have the photograph taken, and then lie about the meaning of the sign. An ad hominem attack on the person would be something like "No wonder Romney did this; he's an opportunist".

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Haha, thanks, and fantastic.

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There was certainly no embarassment for me. Interesting that you were seeking to embarass me rather than persuade me. I'm learning quickly this site is not open to disucssion of differing opinions.

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Well, someone doesn't learn. This, like George Allen's "macaca" moment, isn't just a screw-up for which Romney should be allowed to apologize and move on, it provides a candid look at his character, and what he considers appropriate commentary. Despite the media's success in painting politics as a game, something where the players try to win but the outcomes don't affect our world beyond that, politics is actually life, and it matters a great deal who "wins" the power to make policy, what sort of person they are. No apology from Romney should be considered enough.

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There's no "partisan warfare", there's only right wing evil.

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"I don’t think it was equating or comparing anyone."

wow, so right out of the bush/cheney playbook.

It's from the 'Hey, Your Fly is down/ NO IT'S NOT/ Yes, it is, i'm looking at it right now/ NO IT'S NOT. YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!' school of politics.

you can't fault them for trying.

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You folks are remarkably thick. It's
O / bama
O / sama
and Chelsea's / mamma

A common rhyme form, with no alliteration.

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Yeah, like

Obama, Osama, and Chelsea's moma
Romney, McCain-y, and Giuliani

is just an innocent play on words, and there's no significance at all to the "odd man out".

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You are being remarkably obtuse and dishonest; no one compared Romney to a Nazi.

Beyond that, there is no law of nature that says that Americans can't be similar to Hitler or the Nazis. Quite a few Americans, even elected ones, subscribe to fascist principles.

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I'm learning quickly this site is not open to disucssion of differing opinions.

Please don't get discouraged.

It's really good to hear some voices that are not necessarily reading from a catechism, whether I agree or disagree.

Best, Terry

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I certainly was not endeavoring to embarrass you. However, given your unwillingness to be persuaded by mountains of evidence...I would call that embarrassing, yes.

It is interesting to note that one who is so quick to call others conspiracy theorists (who have gone off the deep end) is rather sensitive about being called ignorant or embarrassing.

EDIT: and I rated up some of your comments that had been inappropriately--IMO--rated 0's and 1's.

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Jibal, it is very possible that I can be aware, informed and concerned and still hold a different opinion from yours. Going on the attack in a first communication, labeling me obtuse, dishonest and ignorant, as is the group think response here, doesn't really advance the politcial discourse. Does thinking differently from you make me an enemy? Why rate my every post as a "0"? Is the message: Go away?

With regard to Hilter and the Nazis, arguably, they represent the most horrendous chapter in human history, agressively engaing the entire world in war, coming close to totalitarian global domination,and systematically exterminating MILLIONS of innocent people. In my estimation, nothing in American politics comes remotely close to that and making the comparison trivializes the extreme that the Nazis represent. My opinion. You are entitled to yours.

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With regard to Hilter and the Nazis, arguably, they represent the most horrendous chapter in human history, agressively engaing the entire world in war, coming close to totalitarian global domination,and systematically exterminating MILLIONS of innocent people. In my estimation, nothing in American politics comes remotely close to that and making the comparison trivializes the extreme that the Nazis represent.

David Duke, Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and American Nazi Party member, got a sizable number of votes years ago when he ran for governor of Louisiana as a Republican. (Duke claimed to have cut ties with these fine organizations but that was about all.)

People are aghast when you mention Nazis in polite company but they are alive and well - unfortunately.

Best, Terry

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For what it's worth, I live in South Carolina, and the sign is the punchline of an aggressively dumb joke I've heard recently from several republican "friends." It's something like, Chelsea Clinton is speaking to a group of elementary school students, and she asks one little girl what scares her. The girl says, Osama, Obama, and yo' mama. The republicans seemed to find the joke absolutely hysterical.

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Point well taken.

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Thanks for this very interesting perspective from South Carolina. Could it be that the sign was actually echoing the punchline of a bad joke? Sounds plausible.

Maybe poster Owenz will rethink his certainty, when he said above that: "'Obama Osama' has been dittohead material for a long time now. The person who wrote Romney's sign was repeating a smear that has been circulating in the rightwing fever swamps for months. Interpreting it any other way is simply incorrect." Maybe not.

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Have you had these feelings long, that anyone your disagree with is "ignorant"?

You might want to read the post below from BlueDot/RedState from South Carolina, who identifies the words on the poster as the punchline of a bad joke involving Chelsea Clinton: "Osama, Obama, and yo' mama." While not flattering, it doesn't seem to be the insult you were reading it to be.

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You may want to check out the post from BlueDot/Redstate below. Seems the words on the poster may well be the punchline from a bad joke involving Chelsea Clinton: "Osama, Obama, and yo' mama." While not flattering, it doesn't seem to be the insult you were reading it to be.

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I'm afraid that this interpretation isn't much better, in that it equates the leader of al Qaeda with the Democratic frontrunners for president, and still does word-play with Obama's name to further that "joke."

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As they say, some of the most powerful words in politics are "There he goes again."

Highlighting this outrageous poster is of a piece with Romney's embrace of Ann Coulter. That time the story was he didn't know that Coulter would say something as offensive as she usually does. This time apparently he was so dazzled by the clever word play, he didn't understand what the sign was saying. Uh huh. There he goes again.

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The two aren't mutually exclusive. Surely certain Republicans find that joke hilarious in large part because it's a way to repeat the "Obama Osama" smear they so enjoy.

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"[L]iterally supporting personal slurs" refers to the action of holding up the sign and having his picture taken. Those are the things that literally happened, his actions.

Sorry if my using the word literally when I actually meant literally was confusing. I know that doesn't happen much any more.

And thank you for calling my claim moronic rather than calling me a moron. That's what I'm talking about!

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No To
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Racists,
& Fascists!

or

No To
Romney &
Racist
Republicans!

No To
Mitt &
Misleading
Morons!

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I'm all for elevating the political debate, it's one of the reasons I adore Obama, but when your opponent slings mud, you don't just smile and say "thank you, sir, my I have another" you swing back. This deserves a swing back.

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