Election Central Sunday Roundup
Rasmussen Polls Impeachment And Removal
A new Rasmussen poll asks, "Should President Bush be impeached and removed from office?" The result: 39% for impeachment and removal, 49% opposed — meaning that though a minority favors removal, it is a much stronger minority than ever favored Bill Clinton's impeachment when he was actually being impeached. This question is much more blunt than a previous American Research Group poll, which asked if the House should begin impeachment proceedings — and it turns out that those favoring it only goes down by a few points under Rasmussen's wording. And another caveat: Rasmussen has historically been the most friendly pollster on Bush's approval ratings, so it could be that the impeachment number is understated.
Edwards Says He's Confident About His Fundraising
John Edwards is standing by his third-place position in the Democratic money race, saying the campaign's goal of $40 million by the time of the Iowa caucus will be enough to remain competitive. Edwards also cautioned skeptics about putting too much faith in the money race: "Everyone will remember Governor Dean who out-raised everyone else by more than 2-to-1 and wasn't able to win the nomination."
Iowa Evangelicals Weighing Their Options
The New York Times has a write-up on the feelings of Christian Right voters and activists in Iowa, looking over the Republican field and seeing problems with all the choices. For now, many are leaning toward Mitt Romney despite his Mormonism, although there is some curiosity about Fred Thompson. And above all, Rudy Giuliani's socially liberal stances on abortion and other issues definitely alienate many of them.
Republican Brand Damaged In Virginia
A new Washington Post poll finds that disapproval of President Bush has seriously weakened the Republican brand among independents in Virginia, which has not voted for a Democrat for president since the 1964 Lyndon Johnson landslide. In the poll, 46% of independents say Bush is the worst president since 1961, far ahead of his closest competitor Jimmy Carter, who has 14%. And among all respondents, a generic Democrat currently leads a generic Republican for president by a 40%-33% margin.
Brownback Joins "TheCall" For A Purer America
Sam Brownback took part in a national evangelical event dubbed "TheCall," in which participants asked God to perform a miracle and change the United States' morally corrupt ways. Interestingly, in addition to his condemnation of abortion, Brownback asked Hispanics for forgiveness over the Senate's defeat of the immigration bill, and what he considered some of the hateful rhetoric surrounding the debate. "I want to say to my Latino brothers, forgive us for that," he said. "We want you in America. We love you and ask you to forgive us for these negative comments."
Obama Iowa Office Burglarized
A Barack Obama campaign office in Davenport, Iowa, was burglarized. Thieves stole two laptop computers and, curiously enough, some campaign literature. Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said nothing too secure was taken: "It doesn't appear that it was anything sensitive or irreplaceable."
Dingell To Propose Carbon Tax — But Is He Serious?
House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell (D-MI) said in an interview that he will propose a carbon tax to lower greenhouse emissions, increase the tax on a gallon of gasoline by 50 cents. But Dingell, who has championed the auto industry that is so important to his district, seemed to imply that this more of a modest proposal than a serious one. "I sincerely doubt that the American people are willing to pay what this is really going to cost them," Dingell said.















Stolen laptops are something to keep an eye on. This happened a few times in the last two elections and every time I hear about one I can't help wondering what else they got. I sure hope people are doing a full-on audits of access logs on every server the user(s) of the stolen machines have access to. I'm no expert but if someone had a desire to lay hands on an organization's internal documents and databases, stealing a computer from someone with access to their network strikes me as a pretty straightforward way of getting at them.
I know for sure that unless fairly stringent precautions are taken, virtually anyone can be logged in as a local administrator on any Windows computer that you have physical access to in about 5 minutes. Given another hour or so there's a good chance you could have regular network logins for users of that machine and if you still had all night before anyone knew the machine was missing there's no telling what you could get -- or for that matter, leave behind. Think about the New Hampshire phone jamming scandal, then consider that a well-placed piece of malicious code could potentially wreak just as much havoc while leaving a lot fewer fingerprints.
July 8, 2007 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
A carbon tax now could save a world of hurt later.
Those knowledgeable about global warming support such a fix now and need to make their case to Congress and the public.
July 8, 2007 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Burgling the opponents office is, in some ways, the ultimate sign of respect. Afterall, I don't think Hillary (or Edwards, or anyone else) will be going after any of Gravel's HQs, just to choose the most extreme example.
On the other hand, its also the classic old-school political move, the type of dirty play that goes back much further than Watergate to the early days of our democracy. In that sense, its rather ironic that Obama's anti-establishment campaign would be victimized in a manner that symbolizes, in a lot of ways, establishment politics at their worst.
July 8, 2007 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: Edwards
It is true that Dean won the money chase but lost the nomination. But does Edwards really want to put any stake in Dean's dubious feat of being one of the only direct-primary-era money chase winners not to win the nomination? (I think there was one other -- but I can't find it.) Kerry overcame Dean's advantage in part because he was the establishment's favorite (i.e., Gephardt's murder-suicide ad blitz). Edwards is nothing of the sort.
July 8, 2007 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards's comment about Dean may be superficial, but then again so is the question of who raised more money. I can think of few things less democratic than a contest over who did better at begging the most money out of investment bankers, trial lawyers, and real estate tycoons.
Edwards raised a few million dollars and can now run a lot of TV ads in Iowa and New Hampshire.
On that Obama story, I'm a little surprised that some posters are assuming that Obama's HQ was burgled by his opponents. Doesn't it make a bit more sense to assume that his office merely fell victim to the runaway hooliganism of crime-ridden Davenport?
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July 8, 2007 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Little doubt that carbon tax is a great idea. But, if we're going to do that, how about an exeption for public trasnportation so we can keep costs down and help ensure its attractiveness as an alternative?
July 8, 2007 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards is a Progressive and the media is attacking him as they did Dean. But Progressives aren't distracted by pole dancing and mafia videos cause Edwards has the best policies and solutions.
July 8, 2007 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not really. For one thing, # of donors tells you a lot about the level of excitement the candidates are creating amongst actual voters, and for another, while raising more money doesn't make a candidate better in terms of politics or performance, it does make him/her more viable
As John Judis argued over at The New Republic
In light of analysis like that, I think its wholly appropriate to be talking money at this point in time.
Full article here
EDIT: as for Obama, I think this is driving perception:
July 8, 2007 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
A big factor you've omitted is the Hillary-Murdoch merger. Or rather I'm assuming you've noticed the 24/7 pro-Hillary coverage. And of course she needs a money cha$er (can't run at the top alone) - so Obama is being given a pass too - for now.
All in an effort to distract from Edwards - the most electable Dem candidate and the one who repeatedly does the best in matchups with Repubs.
July 8, 2007 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Edwards really the "most electable" candidate? Every matchup I see shows all the Dems pretty much within the statistical margin of error with each other. Sometimes Hillary is strongest, sometimes Obama, sometimes Edwards, but there hasn't been a consistent "winner" that I've noticed in those head-to-heads. You sure you're not just selectively remembering those that favor your POV? That's a pretty common unconscious bias, Confirmation Bias
I'll check the mystery pollster blog and get back to you on that.
In the meantime, I dunno, Edwards has looked to be the weakest campaigner of the 3 IMO.
Edit: according to mystery pollster, the matchups go like this
Vs. Giuliani
Clinton -.7
Obama +2.8
Edwards +3.7
Vs. McCain
Clinton + 1.3
Obama + 6.2
Edwards + 5.1
Vs. Romney
Clinton +9.3
Obama + 16.3
Edwards + 21.0
Vs. Thompson
Clinton +6.2
Obama + 13.7
Edwards + 12.0
So what does that get us? Well, Edwards has a slight edge over Obama vs Rudy, but its basically a statistical tie. Obama has a slight edge vs McCain, but same deal: statistical tie. Edwards better Obama by ~5 points vs Romney, but...who care? There's no real difference between winning by 16 pts and winning by 20, is there? Both are blow outs...hell, winning by 9 pts is a blow-out.
And Obama has a slight edge vs Thompson, but, b/c the sample size is smaller, the MOE is most likely bigger, and as such, we'll call it a statistical tie.
So...what I draw from that is that both Edwards and Obama run very similar vs the Repubs, and consistently a few points better than Clinton. The #s, however, don't back up the claim that Edwards is somehow far and away the most electable of the 3.
July 8, 2007 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know, breaking into a campaign office and stealing laptops and campaign literature seems like a pretty suspect list of items to me. Now, if those were the only two pieces of electronics & there was no money in the office, I might buy it, however the campaign literature seems a bit odd.
I'm reserving judgement until I hear more, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was politically motivated. Tracing that to a particular campaign would be equally unshocking, but would guarrantee that person would lose my vote.
July 8, 2007 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
True enough but it is surprising that the haircut guy has any kind of edge over the Amway candidate.
Edwards is in danger of falling off the mat in his contest with the Big Two for the nomination and yet slightly outpolls Obama and bests Hillary easily against the Republicans. Can't be good press I think with Edwards being mercilessly derided over inconsequential matters that has a faint echo in Obama's "lack of experience."
Is it a matter of the weakness of Hillary and Obama as against an also ran or the attraction of Edwards' populist message?
If I had any idea what the answer is, I wouldn't be asking. I make no bones about preferring Edwards' message but it hasn't been apparent to me that it is getting through to the Great Unwashed. Maybe they like his haircut. :-)
Best, Terry
July 8, 2007 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, national elections are a different creature. I think the strong Dem #s in general reflect the overall dissatisfaction with the Repub party. And on top of that, Obama and Edwards are much more appealing to Indies and moderate Repubs, though, I think, for different reasons.
Also worth noting that Obama has ~13.6% undecided to Edwards ~9.4...which reflects his "newcomer" status. That means he has room to grow, but also that he has room to shrink, so to speak.
Still, polls this far out are kinda silly, seeing as how 1 campaign gaffe or a few strong showings can change just about everything.
July 8, 2007 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not everybody believes in early polls:
Take care.
Terry
July 8, 2007 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems odd to steal campaign literature — the campaigns give those out for free. Someone could just walk in off the street and ask for some, and the volunteers would be more than happy to hand it over.
Who knows, maybe this was just a burglar who also turned out to be an undecided caucus-goer!
July 8, 2007 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Bush admininstration is like history in a microcosm: it begins in tragedy, and ends in farce.
July 9, 2007 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really? I can't make any sense out of his regional health pools he's proposing. You have to "prove" your plan is not as good as the pool plan or that you've been denied coverage. Just consider how complex something like that is going to be to administer. You've basically got to have the government equivalent of an insurance underwriting department set up to sort through all these claims. This plan is way too complex, won't solve the problem, and is DOA!!!
July 9, 2007 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dingell will get slaughtered, if he proposes a carbon tax. Pelosi and Reid will both shut that down quick.
It appears that politicians want us to pay for their extreme lack of vision and leadership since the OPEC embargo of 1973. This includes Al Gore who presided over the SUV revolution, and put Kyoto on ice. Voting anyone who would propose such an idea out of office would be much easier.
July 9, 2007 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
"among all respondents [in Virginia], a generic Democrat currently leads a generic Republican for president by a 40%-33% margin."
And this is supposed to be GOOD news for the Dems in Virginia? Nationally, the generic Dem leads the generic Rep by 55 to 28%, a margin 20 full points higher than the Virginia margin. Yet, when leading candidates' names are polled, the national margin disappears.
If anything, the numbers suggest the Republicans will have an easier time holding onto VA's electoral votes than ever. Once a real live Democrat's name is on the ballot, VA voters will again display their herd instinct and return to the right wing corral.
That WaPo article was pure pap. Typical horse-race interest building.
July 9, 2007 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
The media is "pro-Hillary" because they want the Dems to lose, and she's their least promising candidate. Also, Bill is great copy.
But, the only election Edwards is capable of winning is a Democratic primary. The Dems don't need another candidate who can't carry his home state. Just what is it that makes him "most electable?" That he's not black or female?
July 9, 2007 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Of course, Edwards could follow Steve Forbes's precedent and make a huge loan to his campaign."
Edwards doesn't have enough money to lend his campaign a sum that would make a difference. He's not Steve Forbes.
July 9, 2007 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Easier than ever? What are you smoking. The last time a Dem won Virginia was so long ago, hardly anyone remembers. It's more in play now than it has been in a long, long time.
July 9, 2007 2:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, that's funny. I could have sworn Gore won Virginia, and that Clinton won it twice. Of course that's only going Democratic in three of the last 4 presidential elections. And I guess that IS too long ago to remember, huh? Maybe I should just start smoking YOUR brand.
Question, if you're not too stoned to read: if the generic Dem leads nationally by 27 points, and only leads in Virginia by 7, is that a GOOD thing? If the difference nationally between the generic Dem and the named Dem is minus 23 percent, what will be the difference in Virginia? Can you subtract 23 from +7? Are you following me here? Or should I wait until your head clears?
July 9, 2007 4:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Irony may be lost on some, but there's still little consolation to be taken from the poll numbers in the WaPo article. If the named Democrat is running 20 points behind the generic Democrat nationally, there's no reason to think he or she will do better than run 20 oints behind in Virginia.
July 9, 2007 4:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think the media is consciously pro-Hillary, I just think there's some level of power-worship going on. The media wants access, and that means playing nice. As long as the general assumption is that Hillary is gonna win, the Washington people will treat her differently than everyone else. Of course, there's a vicious circle there, too: her position as front-runner is much more stable if they're walking on egg shells around her.
July 9, 2007 7:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thats interesting. My recollection of the Hillary Clinton plan in '93-4 is that one of the big problems was "regional" prices because Medicaid would be lumped in with employer paid healthcare and there would be competition not to get stuck with high cost inner city areas. If your region got, say, the south Bronx, it could drive out employers.
July 9, 2007 7:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
The other thing is whether Obama's staff/campaign management isn't a LOT better than Dean's was. I contributed to Dean and was furious when I learned his campaign had pretty much blown through all that money by Iowa. On what? Everything I've learned about the Iowa caucuses since then - half the turn-out of NH in a state that has twice the population of NH; the "second choice" thing that participants declare; people going around with cookies to influence participants, etc. - it all tells me that Dean's campaign didn't understand the Iowa caucuses. They didn't know what they were doing.
July 9, 2007 7:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
yes, and we all know how far Hillary got with that. What kind of plan do you favor?
July 9, 2007 8:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with another poster here (can't remember the name) that Edwards polls more as the "generic" Democrat than any of the other candidates.
July 9, 2007 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
And the generic advantage can disappear so quickly. I remember 1988 and seeing the then-hugely popular TV shock jock Morton Downey, Jr. on Nightline in the spring saying that he thought Vice President Bush would go on his show because Bush would need any attention he could get but that Dukakis wouldn't do his show because he wouldn't need it. Dukakis was a whole 17 points ahead.
In like September, Ted Koppel had Dukakis himself on Nightline and showed him polling and maps that showed he'd already lost the election.
People on Democratic blogs dismiss Romney but I think he'd be a pretty strong candidate in the general, especially against Hillary Clinton. I think he has that Bush ability (like the father) to let underlings go for the jugular while coming off as "such a nice man" himself.
July 9, 2007 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great point. It seems as though Obama is raising too much money to blow in one state, but I do know his organization in Iowa is pretty freakin big:
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And Hillary:
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How much that turns into turnout for him, how big it is by January, etc, obviously still unknown. I haven't seen anything on Edwards on this, but I do know the guy has been to Iowa a ton the last couple years.
July 9, 2007 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
With all due respect, I disagree with where the power-worship is. I think the Democratic Party has a bit of power politics in play. On one side is the party "establishment" representing those folks who voted or supported the Iraq War, even if they later had an "awakening" that, of course, has nothing to do with public opinion. (haha) Let's fit the Clintons, Biden, Dodd, Richardson and a few others (Murtha and Hoyer come immediately to mind) in this category.
In another category in the party are the ones who actually got it right on Iraq. Let's call these folks the Pelosi, Obama, Kucinich sort of folks (perhaps others like Levin). They definitely do not have the "power" within the party. But, by gum, they want it.
Another category are the party fence-sitters watching the battle and hedging their bets.
Think about the media coverage and access to one faction or another in the Democratic Party when you assess what is going on. The party establishment folks have long ties to the media and lots of access. That gives them media coverage. That's what we're seeing right now. It's the reason that the "Hillary is inevitable" frame won't die.
July 9, 2007 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Any of the Republicans would be strong candidates against Hillary. When it comes down to it, the absolute best outcome she can hope for is to win a squeaker. I mean, can you imagine Hillary even making it close in Virginia? Obama's upside is enormous. If he does things right, he could win 60% of the vote.
I remember a Saturday Night Live skit in 1988 satirizing the Bush/Dukakis debate. Bush (Dana Carvey) stood up there gabbling some nonsensical gibberish, and when he was done, Dukakis (Jon Lovitz) looked at him, shook his head and said, "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy."
The Dems could easily repeat this scenario. Personally, I think Frederick of Hollywood is their best shot, just because Romney is such an obvious liar and bullshit artist, from his breathtaking flip-floppery on right wing core issues, to his bullshittery about things that don't even matter, like, "I'm a lifelong hunter."
But failing the laugh test has never disqualified any Republican, and you may well be right about Mitt. Two things Bush has taught us is that ANYBODY can be president, and that the Republicans aren't embarrassed to present any hapless oaf to the American people as their best man.
July 9, 2007 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any of the Republicans would be strong candidates against Hillary. When it comes down to it, the absolute best outcome she can hope for is to win a squeaker. I mean, can you imagine Hillary even making it close in Virginia? Obama's upside is enormous. If he does things right, he could win 60% of the vote.
I remember a Saturday Night Live skit in 1988 satirizing the Bush/Dukakis debate. Bush (Dana Carvey) stood up there gabbling some nonsensical gibberish, and when he was done, Dukakis (Jon Lovitz) looked at him, shook his head and said, "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy."
The Dems could easily repeat this scenario. Personally, I think Frederick of Hollywood is their best shot, just because Romney is such an obvious liar and bullshit artist, from his breathtaking flip-floppery on right wing core issues, to his bullshittery about things that don't even matter, like, "I'm a lifelong hunter."
But failing the laugh test has never disqualified any Republican, and you may well be right about Mitt. Two things Bush has taught us is that ANYBODY can be president, and that the Republicans aren't embarrassed to present any hapless oaf to the American people as their best man.
July 9, 2007 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember that skit. Lovitz had Dukakis just right.
Its interesting how the media says Hillary Clinton "won" those debates as though anyone would be surprised that she could be very aggressive.
July 10, 2007 7:05 AM | Reply | Permalink