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Edwards Pooh-Poohs Obama-Clinton Flap

John Edwards does exist! We've had a sighting!

Here he is, weighing in on the Obama-Clinton flap this morning:

"If you’re looking, if you're looking for what’s wrong in Washington, why the system is broken, why the system doesn’t work, one perfect example is what's been happening over the last four days. We’ve had two good people, Democratic candidates for president, who’ve spent their time attacking each other, instead of attacking the problems that this country’s faced."


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It seems that since his new "tax rich" plan is not getting the attention, he is demanding it via jumping in on this controversy, why shouldn't he join the fun?

Bottom Line: It seems that the media doesn't care about Edwards; only when his hair is involved, he gets the spotlight!

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Both Edwards and Clinton well-understood the premise and parameters of the You Tube question, even as those details escaped Obama.

Unfortunately for Obama, there were other details that escaped him as well.

In his effort to promote himself as the new Reagan, Obama casts Reagan diplomacy in a factually inaccurate way.

Reagan did not meet with Gorbachev within the first year of his Presidency, individually, and without precondition. It was not until his second term that he met with Gorbachev, prior to which was vigorous groundwork as well as predonditions. Ditto for Nixon and Mao.

For Obama to suggest othewise is historically inaccurate and contrary to the public record.

Further, to promote these factually innacurate statements while simulaneously pronouncing yourself to be the most experienced and knowledgeable in foreign policy of the entire Democratic and Republican Presidential field is just absurd.

Absurd bordering on nutty!

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Well played. He maybe gets a ride on the media frenzy while distancing himself from the pettiness of it all. I think a lot of people are turned off by the Clinton-Obama catfighting. Edwards should get some points by positioning himself as the grownup. And at the same time he allies himself with the people (a large majority, I'd guess) who are disgusted with Washington.

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Edwards is giving most Americans including all those making less than 200K a tax break.

Further the increased capital gains are only for those >$250,000

back to Ronnie Regan's tax policy

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the grownup running a campaign on ideas and real reform not cleavage and personality.

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Wow!

Edwards:
"If you’re looking, if you're looking for what’s wrong in Washington, why the system is broken, why the system doesn’t work, one perfect example is what's been happening over the last four days."

Can't wait for the obamavangelist attacks on Edwards. Who'd thunk a "different kind of politics" and a "different kind of campaign" meant slash and burn republican tactics.

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Edwards response is right on the money.

He has the opportunity to become the frontrunner.

Hillary is the one who stands the most to lose here. And lose she will.

Frontrunners should not pick fights, they have nothing to gain. Hillary is shook. Her poor judgment is once again on display.

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Smart move. I've gotta say, while I thought they all did well in the debate, Edwards seemed strongest to me that night. And this is the latest in what I find a string of solid public statements. It's way early, but if Clinton and Obama aren't careful they could find themselves in a replay of Dean and Gephardt in Iowa '04, with Edwards playing Kerry. Lots of us still up for grabs...

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Ironic how Greg is so preoccupied with Edwards invisibleness, but almost never mentions, say, Richardson who has arguably more relevant experience than CEO combined. Not that that qualifies him for president or anything, it's just an interesting observation that is quite revealing: even the online community is stuck in the same mindset of the MSM. Namely that there are only three candidates worthy of attention.

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Maybe because Richardson isn't saying much that's interesting? But I agree that most of Blogland is as preoccupied by the "frontrunners" as the MSM.

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Unfortunately for you, JoeCHI, some details escaped you. You have cast Reagan's diplomacy in a factually inaccurate way.

JoeCHI, Reagan did not meet with Gorbachev with the first year of his Presidency, but guess what? That was because Reagan came into office in January of 1981, but Gorbachev came in as Soviet head of state four years later, on March 11th, 1985. And, truth be told, Reagan met with Gorbachev at the Geneva Summit in November of 1985, nine months after Gorbachev was sworn in [making me wonder if you created a 'whole cloth' declaration about 'vigorous groundwork'].

You post is historically inaccurate and contrary to the public record. Absurd.

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Edwards is dead wrong on this one. They're not merely attacking each other--they're attacking each others' policies. And since there's a good chance we're going to have to live with the policies of one of them for perhaps eight years following the election, I'm very happy to learn in advance how each of them plans to approach their presidency.

Nice try, John, but people are still talking about Clinton and Obama.

By the way, I thought Hillary's comment about how she didn't "want to see the power and prestige of the United States president put at risk by rushing into meetings with the likes of Chavez and Castro and Ahmadinejad" was very telling.

If a year is "rushing" in Hillary's book I'm guessing her four years in office would offer very little in the way of change.

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Its interesting that you assume Obama supporters would disagree with this, and give your own candidate a pass for her distortions.

I actually like what Edwards is saying here. He's right.

And whiterosebuddy, who's maybe even more strident than I am in supporting Obama, obviously agrees, as per his comment below.

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You're right! The first reference was originally USSR, the second Gorbachev. The former was changed inadvertantly during my spellcheck.

Good catch.

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I dunno. Its hard to say. For one thing, its really freakin hard to tell how, if at all, their policies and approaches are actually different. Mainly because its hard to tell what Clinton's position actually is. Surprise, surprise, huh? :D

I mean, she strongly endorses diplomacy and criticizes Bush, Hannity, et al...but then she frames the issue of diplomacy in the same way they do. Its an important question to ask: does she consider the mere act of sitting down to discussions a concession in and of itself? If so, that's a fundamentally antagonistic approach to diplomacy. She might differ from Bush et al only in the degree to which she thinks its a concession, i.e. they may consider it an enormous concession while she thinks its a minor one. But its still working in the same idealogical framework. But I don't know. Would be worth investigating by someone more resourceful than I.

But in general, the coverage has more focused on the conflict itself and the political point-scoring than the substance of the debate, the accuracy of either narrative being offered by the campaigns, focusing on the distortions by both parties, etc etc.

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Chris Bowers has a great post discussing this, btw...the way the media is driving the issue. Read the whole thing, its worth it, and some good comments in the discussion section.

The conclusion:

Let's recap, with the word "they" in the next two sentences defined as MSNBC. They have set the roles in advance (Obama vs. Clinton), they define everything else in the campaign as lesser forms of news (Obama vs. Clinton is news no matter the substance, and then they write about it ten times in two days), they admit they are begging the candidates to play the parts (their producers tried to get Clinton to criticize Obama on camera), they get angry when the campaigns talk to lower forms of media life like the Quad City times, they get angry when other reporters like Anderson Cooper don't assist in making the candidates play the roles, and then they state that if the campaign doesn't happen on camera, then it doesn't really exist. To top it off, they then talk about the fight again later on in the same post, and close the day with a BREAKING NEWS piece from Andrea Mitchell that Obama has "escalated" or something. This is not journalism. This is a staged script they are trying to get everyone else to follow

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It's pretty hard to give equal time to all of the candidates. What about Biden and Dodd? They've got a ton of experience.

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You don't leave your positions undefined unless you are doing it on purpose as part of your strategy. I think she is hiding the ball here.

Greg, why don't you ask her campaign a few detailed questions about her position and see whether they respond? It would be easy to frame a question using Iran or North Korea as an example.

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I don't think he's right. Although there is some haze around the actual issue, there does appear to be an actual difference of opinion at the base of the dispute. I think voters want to know where the candidates differ, not just where they agree. The candidates should state their positions and be willing to strongly defend them.

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Ohiomeister, I agree. This is her strategy. She does not take positions.

Hillary's judgment is so flawed she errors when she takes a stand. This happened with healthcare. This happened with kissing Arafats wife. This happened with the war vote.

Hillary leads on nothing. She lacks the judgment to do so.  This is why she simply mirrors the other candidates. We have to keep in mind that Hillary never intended to have run against anyone in the primaries. She built her strategy on the 'inevitability' of her candidacy based on her fundraising prowess.

The only statements she makes are against Bush's policies. Her platform is based on the general election and she never thought she would have to woo the Democratic base. As usual, her judgment was wrong.

Hillary has been in 3 debates and not once told us what she stands for and on the 2 most important issues to Democats, universal health care and the war, she has no plan and no regret for her vote.

She feels no need to woo the Democratic base. I hope Obama's grassroot campaign wipes up the floor with her arrogance of not even deigning to appeal to her own base...right down to her denouncing be ing a Liberal in the last debate.

Liberals fought for equal rights for workers, women and the poor along with civil rights. Being a liberal stood for something, a mantle Hillary simply cast aside. Yet, Democrats aresuppose to believe she is the best candidate.

Only folks who don't plan think so.

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But there's a difference between defending a position and using certain name-calling language. Language is everything.

Silly, Bush-Cheney lite, bringing up very inflammatory holocaust denier tag, veiled accusations about being a divider - these are words that are not intended to defend policy; they are only meant to denigrate the opponent.

So I listen to them defend their policies and then when they descend into the petty crap, I stop listening and start thinking that this is politics as usual.

--poligirl

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead

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You got me.

I really didn't think the hardcore doesn't matter what he does Obama supporters would agree with Edwards that Obama is "why the system is broken, why the system doesn’t work" and that Obama is "one perfect example is what's been happening over the last four days."

There you go even hardcore obamavangelist whiterosebuddy agrees with Edwards. But I'm betting your support for the candidate that you both agree is "why the system is broken, why the system doesn’t work" is undiminished.

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He may be right on the money, but watch and listen to the back story on why he agreed with Hillary. Edwards and Hillary want Barack out of this race.

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