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New York Times: Edwards Campaign "Joyless"

In a piece that is likely to generate some chatter in campaign circles, The New York Times has a long look at the Edwards campaign coming in this Sunday's magazine. The piece, which has just gone up online, argues that the Edwards campaign is "joyless" and is hampered by a sense that the campaign is little more than a vehicle for him to discuss his signature issue of poverty.

"Everything else in the campaign, Edwards seems to think, all these carefully orchestrated photo ops and drop-bys and van rides with the media, is the kind of empty political theater from which he declared himself liberated after his last presidential run," writer Matt Bai opines. "He gives the impression that he simply endures it."

More nuggets from the article as we find them.


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Bai ain't reading the e-mails the Edwards campaign keeps sending out . . . Most are upbeat.
A lot deal with serious subjects . . .

Joyless in what his bosses be if the fairness doctrine is reinstituted as Edward opined about a coupla months ago.

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I was just at an Edwards event last night in Boston. One of his "Small Change for Big Change" events. There was a lot of enthusiasm in the room from folks coming to see him. The event could have been run a bit better (check-in list was completely random, the event room was FAR too small for the number of folks showing up (over 500), and nothing happened for the first 35 minutes of the 1 hour event except mike checks and a lot of sweating), but I put that down more to the local advance crew than to the national campaign.

Talking to folks there, before and after the event, there seemed to be a genuine feeling of "positivity" and hope with the campaign. Sure, what he said when he was there was canned stump speech, except for the update on the Red Sox score, but everything any candidate says between now and the primaries is going to be some variation on a theme they're trying to drive home.

I'll grant the Times that the excitement level with the campaign may not be at the samed fevered pitch as with Barack or Hillary, but I think a lot of Dems are interested in substance over style this time around, and the Edwards campaign has that in spades. The media just has to stop trying to handicap the horse race, and I think Edwards will stand out.

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Veteran campaign organizers deliberately choose venues that they estimate will be smaller than the expected crowd. The theory is, better to pack people in like sardines than have a large venue half-filled. That way, you can create a buzz and reporters will write about the "overflowing crowds" as opposed to the "half-empty hall." The crowds that Obama draws have created the only exception to this rule that I've seen.

As for a "joyless campaign," I believe Edwards is serious about his issues and trying to get a message out. The media is a hindrance, not a help, in covering campaigns. And, after the media-created Dean debacle, I'm not so sure I trust anything I read in the media about campaigns.

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Jesus... are we going to get you guys doing a Dean and Kerry II campaign? Where we get the DLC corporates in the Clinton campaign dragging up crap to pull down the democratic candidate AGAIN//!

Whose the source? Carville?

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I always thought Edwards was using Poverty to run for president. Hey, there could be worse issues to do that with so I don't necessarily see that as bad.

This early on, and with such a small campaign staff so far, I'd bet that most talking to the media is planned. The policy over politics line is used by most candidates so that could just be a well planned leak. Much easier to control the message with a small staff. If Edwards were doing poorly--which he is not--then I'd take this more seriously. But no reason to read much into these unless you start seeing mass exodus within the campaign.

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There's a big difference between a theme that's serious and a campaign that's "joyless." I certainly hope there are more than a few screwballs on staff to keep everyone loose.

That said, Edwards is running a serious campaign about the future of America. The pressures on everyone but the rich are excruciating. Of all the candidates on both sides, Edwards seems to be the guy that fully comprehends the scope of the situation. That's not to say that Clinton or Obama can't comprehend what's going on, just that they haven't yet. I just wish he didn't get a $400 haircut.

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I was at the same event, and I noticed one line he put in on the poverty issue, to loosely paraphrase, "I don't care how many journalists and pundits tell me not mention poverty is political loser. I am going to keep bringing it up, because it's the right thing to do."

It makes me wonder if the campaign had seen an advanced copy of The Times story. The joyless characterization seems like a deliberately negative sensationalized term, he could have as easily used earnest. There wan't anything joyless, and certainly not pessimistic about the Boston event.

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If there's anything anti-Edwards you'll read it here first! And if there's anything positive about Edwards - you can be sure it'll be in a short round up piece.

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And I wish Hillary weren't so enmeshed with union busters WHILE she's promoting workers' rights in her speeches to union members.
And I wish Obama hadn't sponsored that awful legislation benefiting the coal indu$try.
But the public doesn't know about those facts.
Only Edwards haircuts.

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Well, he's using the haircut pricetag as a punchline now. Basically saying that only in America can a son of a mill worker get ahead in life and pay $400 for a trim...

At the event, he mentioned poverty, as well as the war, the middle class, global warming, education, and quite a few other topics. Right now, he's the only candidate that I've seen talking about it at the level it should be.

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Anyting Matt Bai writes is suspect on its face. This article should not be taken seriously, except for the harm it will probably do to the campaign.

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The word "joyless" only showed up once in the article. It is interesting that it made the headline of this post. It is also abundantly clear that Matt Bai either did not attend many Edwards events, or did not pay any attention. He is turning out enthusiastic crowds and he is great with them.

Senator Edwards runs a campaign that is, as others have pointed out, serious and substantive. This may cause him trouble in a world of trivial horse-race journalists, but he is for real and he is willing to step out on substance. That doesn't mean he still can't be optimistic and turn out supporters. Indeed, his ideas for a better country and a better world are more optimistic than any other candidate. Less canned, less programmed, more daring.

Who knows, maybe the voters are ready for this unorthodox approach. Maybe, just maybe, the voters have been ready for this for a long, long time.

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There may be different campaign tactics at work, but it's laughable to conclude clinton or obama don't comprehend the situation regarding people struggling to make ends meet.

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True. Other progressive bloggers have criticized his previous articles on Democrats. But - we can be assured TPM-EC will highlight a biased author writing a hit piece on Edwards.

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>>>>The word "joyless" only showed up once in the article. It is interesting that it made the headline of this post.

But the headline is typical of TPM-EC headlines about Edwards.

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True, and I apologize for not making my point clear. Poverty isn't the issue where Edwards makes his mark, ironically enough. Iraq is. While everyone else is handwringing over inches, Edwards is pushing for miles in terms of getting out of Iraq.

Or rather, I don't think that Obama or Clinton fully understand the political landscape beyond the Beltway. That's understandable because the high-priced political advisors that Edwards is avoiding (or ignoring) are all from the Beltway. And these advisors are running campaigns for the 2004 Democratic Nomination.

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Farinata X said:
This article should not be taken seriously, except for the harm it will probably do to the campaign.

Well... Edwards has been, kind-a, "top of the pack" for me for a while, but funds are short, so I've been teetering about active support (it always generates tons of follow up begging mailings, and I hate to see my money wasted like that). But this article has just got my goat enough to get me to the other side of the teeter-totter and I sent some joy Edwards' way :)

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Reading the comments here, I thought this had to be a negative article but its the opposite. The article puts John Edwards in a good light as to his sincerity about the issue of poverty.

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The New York Times wants joyless, they can visit the underground subways beneath their mighty empire, where they tell lies to those doing well.

I have noticed a grimness on most faces in that magical city.

Best, Terry

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Yes. Matt Bai's signature style is : liberal who finds he must criticize the democratic candidate- any democratic candidate. I can't think of a conservative analog. Mostly they run to a piquant criticism or two before the hagiography sets in- except for the peasants- with-pitchforks cohort who're mostly longing for our very own Pinochet.

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We've had 6 1/2 years of happy-go-lucky, I-don't-care leadership. I'm all for candidates with seriousness, having lived through the vicarious presidency of George W. Bush and having seen its consequences.

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Did you watch the video or read the text of Obama's speech at Hampton College to the Black Ministerial Alliance? His use of the term "quiet riot" and his discussion of poverty in the urban, African American community certainly indicates that Obama "gets it." After all, Obama is the guy who was a community organizer in Chicago's south side and the one who represented this community in the Illinios legislature for eight years, longer than either Edwards or Hillary have served in the US Senate.

I don't mean to be overly testy about this issue, but I find it offensive when Edwards supporters act as though their guy is "substantive and serious" about poverty and Obama is "superficial and lightweight." I would be willing to bet a large sum that Obama understands poor people in general, and poor black people in particular, in ways that neither Edwards or HRC do. The fact is that he has to be very careful to not be "ghettoized" by the media as the "black candidate" or worse yet the "angry, black candidate."

Progressives need to look at the candidates life experience. Who has been on the front lines working for civil rights and poor people? Who has demonstrated that they were more interested in helping people than accumulating wealth and power? I am not saying that Edwards or even HRC do not have sincere concern for these issues, I am saying that I think Obama has had a longer and deeper commitment and that he will fight for these values and issues if elected.

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Edwards "using poverty" to run? In this country, poverty has not been exactly the hot issue of the past few decades, so I would think if a guy is just "using" an issue, he would pick something more, uh, saleable. More sexy, politically.

I actually think Edwards sees a growing divide between the small Haves and the growing Have Nots, with a dwindling middle, as a crucial issue for the future of our nation.

Really.

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This article seems to fall into the current MCM* thrust of either dissing or ignoring Edwards--and studiously avoiding his actual issues.

As Krugman wrote in this week's columns, and Somerby has been pounding away at for years, the MCM runs against Dems and takes any and all opportunities to undercut their campaigns.

Edwards seems to be one they really, really, really want to see not get the nomination. However, any Dem nominated will get the usual MCM treatment. Until the corporate interests no longer see the Republican policies as the best for their interests, we will see an MCM unable to report fairly on political campaigns.

*MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media

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"Everything else in the campaign, Edwards seems to think, all these carefully orchestrated photo ops and drop-bys and van rides with the media, is the kind of empty political theater from which he declared himself liberated after his last presidential run," writer Matt Bai opines. "He gives the impression that he simply endures it."

Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, finds nothing more thrilling than an orchestrated photo op, while Barack Obama just lives for van rides in the media.

On the republican side, John McCain declared "There's nothing more fun than empty political theatre."

Everybody simply endures these events--whether it's shaking hands a Portsmouth shipyard or attending yet another houseparty in Waterloo. That's such an inane comment.

I was in Manchester the day of the Dem debates, and the day after. The streetside rallies all seem incredibly fake. We were there grabbing some supporter footage before the debate, and all the campaigns seemed to have a ratio of about 1:3 staff to citizen.

But the media enforces this campaign style. It makes coverage easy for them. And their horse race focus over-inflates these two early contests. But if you break out of the narrative, they'll punish you.

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BTW, anyone know if there's a way to keep the comment if one clicks to another site for, say, source material? Everytime I've clicked back, my comment is erased. Frustrating. Is this a bug or a feature?

Anyway, upshot is that the joyless comment comes in Paragraph 18 (10 of which a line-line dialogue), and the preceding writing is a picture of an exhausted and downbeat candidate who answers questions about what to do with "I don't know."

So, mentioning the joyless description is actually capturing the opening of this article. I'm not sure how many will read the entire thing--or just write Edwards off as a loser.

It is not an easy to read description of the man or his campaign.

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It's fascinating the extent to which people froth and burble without actually reading the thing. As Karen said above, the article actually takes Edwards quite seriously. It delves into the question of poverty in America and illumes the various schools of thought on poverty and inequality at some length and with some subtlty. I have my reservations about some points in the piece, not least the section on the so-called predistributionist school of the Democratic Party. But this is precisely the sort of journalism that people yammer about wanting (and for good reason). It devotes lots and lots of inches to substance.

It raises the joylessness within a context. That is, his wife is at home getting treatments for cancer, he's away from his kids, and presidential politics is a tough slog. Not only is the piece NOT punishing Edwards for breaking away from the pack, it makes him seem more interesting for doing so.

There is, by the way, an existential loneliness to campaigning if a candidate is evenly moderatly self-aware. Bill Bradley comes to mind as a candidate who wrestled with this very openly. Edwards, as he matures, seems to be wrestling with the same thing. And to write of that isn't to tear him down.

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As a New Yorker, I can sincerely say: up yours.

It is a magical city, one of the purest expressions of America as it could be, maybe should be. Most of us wouldn't trade it for anywhere else in the world.

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As a New Yorker, I can sincerely say: up yours.

As a fellow New Yorker but a provincial, I can say your sour attitude has not been notable to us in recent years. You get mugged or something?

We have found a great increase in courtesy and helpfulness.

I invite you or anyone though to study the faces in the subway of many carrying the burdens of the working class that is beneath contempt for the folks publishing the The New York Times above.

Best, Terry

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Did you read the whole article? The word "joyless" does come up only once, but the paragraphs around it describe a campaign, and a candidate wearied by the meaningless mini-events he has to attend.

I say if he doesn't like it, he shouldn't do the fake photo ops, like holding up a hammer and banging at 8 nails at a habitat for humanity photo op. But he still has to, I think, shake hands at the shipyards and talk to real people.

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A campaign where the candidate's mama will send you a recipe for Pecan Pie if you send in $6.10 or more contribution before his Birthday ... especially a campaign that will in fact understand the significance of "pie" on the Daily Kos website ... is by no means joyless.

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Open up the source material in a new window or, in Firefox or (I have heard) the very newest version of IW, a new tab.

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This comment is all true, about Edwards and about the article. Most people are responding to the Election Central post, not the article. The entire article is as much a discussion about the economics of poverty as it is about the campaign style of John Edwards. Unfortunately, Bai decided to enter into Edwards's mind and see joyless, when the rest of us watching Edwards may see something else. At the same time and Election Central seized on the word "joyless" as its primary take on the article.

The article's discussion of economics could be criticized as shallow. Bai would benefit from the discussion here at TPM Cafe about Christopher Hayes's article on "Hip Heterodoxy," http://www.tpmcafe.com/flexinode/list/8, and from the subsequent discussion or from Hayes's earlier article in the November 2006 In These Times article titled "What We Learn When We Learn Economics,"

http://www.chrishayes.org/articles/what-we-learn-when-we-learn-economics/.

Or perhaps Bai could just learn a little about economics!

Economics aside, the article is not an Edwards hit piece, though Election Central's review of the article certainly could be taken as negative.

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Yes, agree with Fisher. There is a tendency in this piece to assume "mainstream" economic and poverty theory is settled, and Edwards is judged--sometimes--by his distance from this mean. There is also a the author's tendency, here and there, not to so much argue a point as to assert ...

But, still, hardly a negative piece, and in many places trenchant

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Economics aside, the article is not an Edwards hit piece

True enough.

Trouble is that if you take out the economics you are left with a bit of fluff and stuff.

I have no idea what you propose there is in heterodox economics that might assuage the damage done by the article saying, in effect, that Edwards proposes Clintonomics.

Edwards is fundamentally in agreement with the free traders but offers the usual fair trade panacea.

Aye and there's the rub.

Even were it essentially true that Edwards only offered more bad medicine, the change in the environment would provide yeoman service. Campaign rhetoric seldom matches what is done later.

Best, Terry

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