Flashback: Bloomberg Gave His Blessing To Iraq War
Now that everyone's talking about Mike Bloomberg as potential Presidential material, it seemed to us like a good idea to take a look at where he has been on, you know, the most important political issue of our time: Iraq.
Right now Bloomberg is distancing himself from Bush and his foreign policies. As part of his whirlwind "I just may go for it" tour this week, he gave a speech on Monday at Google headquarters criticizing Bush's approach to foreign policy, though it's also worth noting that he stopped short of calling for withdrawal from Iraq. He said this:
"We are in trouble overseas. There's obviously an unpopular war, but a war that has no easy answers. The people that say, 'let's just automatically pull troops out,' I don't think have really looked at the consequences of destabilizing the world, and the genocide that may or may not occur, depending on who you believe."
And this:
"Our reputation has been hurt very badly in the last few years. We are, we have had a go it alone mentality in a world where, because of communications and transportation, you should be going exactly in the other direction. There's no one country that can stand on its own anymore, we're so interconnected through trade and everything else..."
It's worth noting, however, that Bloomberg tacitly endorsed -- and certainly didn't oppose -- Bush's international approach and his quasi-unilateral invasion of Iraq back in 2002 and early 2003, when it really counted.
A caveat: Bloomberg was always careful to equivocate about whether he fully supported the invasion. This was partly a consequence of his bizarre political predicament at the time: He had converted to the Republican Party, and was hoping to woo the GOP convention to New York, but he was also Mayor of a city that was intensely opposed to the war. So he always stopped just short of outright and full-blown support for the invasion.
Still, if you look at his public statements at the time, it's hard to concluded that he did anything but tacitly back the war and give it his blessing.
From The New York Times, September 14, 2002 (via Nexis):
Bloomberg Seconds Bush In Defending Use of ArmsBYLINE: By DIANE CARDWELL
SECTION: Section A; Column 1; Metropolitan Desk; Pg. 7
LENGTH: 752 words
Michael R. Bloomberg, the fourth mayor of New York to address the United Nations General Assembly, used the occasion yesterday to make a subtle case for military action against Iraq, underscoring the message President Bush delivered just a day earlier.
Calling the Sept. 11 attack an assault on the principles of the United Nations itself, Mr. Bloomberg said, "Freedom comes at a price -- and tragically, sometimes that price is the commitment to defend freedom by arms."
"No matter how painful, America understands its obligations to its citizens, and the citizens of the world," he said. "America has been, is and always will be willing to do its duty -- to sacrifice even its own blood so that people everywhere can live as individuals, responsible for their own destinies."
In a tacit reference to Iraq, Mr. Bloomberg added, "As President Bush has said repeatedly, we will aggressively pursue terrorists wherever they seek refuge and terrorist states whenever they threaten our security."
Here's another example that is less clear cut, from CNN in March of 2003 (via Nexis):
QUESTION: Did the president convince you war is necessary despite the failure of diplomacy? And what kind of course of action did you express to him?BLOOMBERG: The president's made his decision. He said clearly the other night, Saddam Hussein had 48 hours to leave or we were going to take military action. And I think at this point, the debate's over.
And that's what democracy's all about, everybody gets a chance to express their views. We've elected the president to listen, and then to make a decision. He has made that decision. He is a forceful, strong leader. He's not going to be cowed or dissuaded. He's going to go out there and do what we all pray is right.
Again, not quite outright backing it, but certainly not opposing it, and more or less endorsing the President's proposed course of action.
Here's another one from The Times in March of 2003:
Mayor Bloomberg, who came to the church with several members of his administration and stayed after the service for a fellowship breakfast in the basement, called on the congregation to pray that the decision to attack had been the right one."If you take out a tyrant who clearly gassed tens of thousands of his own people, if you can stabilize a whole part of the world where, tragically, terrorism goes on every day, then it will have been the right decision," he said.
Again equivocating, but basically endorsing Bush's rhetorical take on Iraq, and endorsing the idea of an invasion in principle.
We're not saying there's necessarily a contradiction between his past and present positions. Rather, we're bringing these up mainly because amid all the talk about how "independent" and "nonpartisan" Bloomberg is, it's worth recalling that he wasn't independent enough to make waves by breaking with his own adopted party at that hugely crucial moment. And his voice as Mayor of the city hit on 9/11 would have carried real weight.
Of course, it's conceivable -- though we personally doubt it -- that he didn't think the invasion was a bad idea. Either way, we're just hoping this becomes part of the discussion. More of these as we find them.















He also supported Lieberman in the general election against Lamont, which it would seem, is an implied endorsement of the war, and its continuation.
June 21, 2007 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those comments certainly aren't raving lunatic support for the invasion, but they sure aren't criticisms, either. They don't paint Bloomberg as an independent thinker, not in the common sense of that term--but rather, as politically calculating.
And that, in the eyes of the press, of course, is a very very very bad thing to be, especially if you're HIllary Clinton.
June 21, 2007 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to start to play a little game. I'll plot the number of posts unrelated to Hillary Clinton it takes before someone says something negative about her. My guess is maybe every 1.5 posts.
Obama's apparently been planning a presidential run since 2004 (after a stop off as Gov.). Why is he not considered political calculating? What about Edwards who is arguably the least experienced candidate on either side?
June 21, 2007 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your title, Greg. "Bloomberg" is what it should say. Look again.
June 21, 2007 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep.
June 21, 2007 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
fixed -- thanks!
June 21, 2007 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
What distresses me is that there was a LACK of discussion about the invasion beforehand. He states that this is a democracy and now (March of 2003) a decision has been made. But where was the discussion? Not in the Congress. Not in the press. Indeed, we know that the president did not listen to the experts warning against an invasion, nor the experts indicating that the intelligence was wrong etc.
June 21, 2007 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's hell being the front-runner, ain it?
June 21, 2007 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bloomberg was always careful to equivocate about whether he fully supported the invasion?
Mayor Bloomberg penned thousands of people in like cattle on First Avenue in 15-degree weather on a Saturday morning in February 2003 because they thought invading Iraq was a pretty fucking stupid idea.
Bloomberg is a civil libertarian in the Giuliani mode.
June 21, 2007 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Greg, for disqualifying this guy from getting a vote for me, ever, for anything. Someone who will not give his opinion on whether the US should invade another country when such an invasion is clearly imminent is someone who is unfit for political office.
June 21, 2007 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I live and work in NYC, and have to confess to voting for him twice since the opposition was so weak.
Having said that, I think it also needs to be pointed out that Bloomberg actively assisted the RNC in setting up a mini police state in Manhattan in order to suppress any real protest against Bush/Iraq. The City was up to its neck conspiring with the RNC to lock up anybody who might do anything to ruin their little show.
June 21, 2007 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it a surprise that a candidate with high negatives draws negative comments?
Hillary Clinton is running for President in 2008 and is the clear front runner for the Democratic nomination. As such I don't see how she can be considered "unrelated" to any post regarding the 2008 election.
June 21, 2007 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geez, I hope you understand that my post wasn't negative towards Hillary at all. I was trying to make the point that the same behavior in Bloomberg would be seen as really "slick" in Hillary. Yes?
June 21, 2007 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
thank you mrs panstreppon. I was one of those thousands of people penned in like cattle. The police were shoving peaceful protesters around to provoke altercations. I was knocked to the ground when another protester was literally thrown at me by an officer.
June 21, 2007 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a reminder from a long time reader. TPM supported the invasion of Iraq. Many "experts" provided lengthy supporting policy analysis...apparently in total ignorance of the demography and economics of Iraq, as well as the reports of UN inspectors. Indeed, I still wonder how many of these "experts" are still convinced the invasion was a good idea just badly executed.
Not being an expert I just thought it was an incredibly stupid idea then and do now. Since it was executed by the same kind of policy "experts" who thought it was a good idea, the debacle should come as no surprise.
Sam Taylor
June 21, 2007 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a description of one of Mayor Bloomberg's not-so-well-known propaganda stunts.
About a week before the invasion of Iraq, Drudge had a huge headline about Oprah's "anti-war show" to be shown later that day. Oprah had Tom Friedman and a Middle East Studies professor on but that is beside the point.
At 4 p.m., Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly interrupted Oprah as the show started to hold an "emergency" press conference about a possible terrorist threat which may or may not be real, i.e. it was bullshit.
The press conference and ABC's analysis of it dragged on for forty-five minutes, thereby effectively blocking Oprah's anti-war show.
Mayor Mikey is not a nice guy.
June 21, 2007 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rather than whining about this, maybe you should take it as a signal of just how much trouble Our Lady of Perpetual Triangulation will have in a general election.
Not only will she unite the Republicans (and pull back millions of independents who'd otherwise likely be open to supporting a Democrat), she'll divide the center/left coalition. A lot of us simply think she's contemptible, and others are very, very frightened at the prospect of 24-28 years of "Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton."
June 21, 2007 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, because the mayor sets the operational specifics of crowd control. Of course.
Blame Kelly or blame the cops, but blaming Bloomberg (and I was there that morning, taking abuse from cops, so I know exactly what you're referring to) seems like a big leap.
June 21, 2007 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee
As a Democrat from the hinterlands, I've not been very well informed of Mayor Bloomberg and his previous 'politically revealing' actions and statements.
Learning that he supported Lieberman over Lamont, however is just about enough for me
to form a negative appraisal of him.
I'll admit, though, he displays some appeal in his now-announced (well, almost announced)quest for the presidency.
Hopefully, media exposure of his past gaffes RE Iraq War, police-state oppression in suppressing dissent in NYC, and other facts from his past will give prospective supporters some second thoughts.
June 21, 2007 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard from one friend in CT that Bloomberg gave Lieberman substantial financial support for his 2006 re-election campaign. Is it true? Does anyone know how much Bloomberg donated to Lieberman's campaign?
June 21, 2007 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Mayor is the one who set the policy of cooperation with the RNC. The Mayor's Office is where the approval for entering into an illegal indemnification agreement with the RNC that has the City's taxpayers providing the RNC with a defense in litigation in the Southern District of New York that was commenced by some of the protesters penned up on the West Side during the convention. The Defendants in the case include the City and the RNC.
New York City Corporation Counsel is providing a defense to the RNC - and we shouldn't blame Bloomberg?
June 21, 2007 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mayor Mike brought the RNC to New York, and allowed the NYC police department to run rampant over peoples' rights, literally round them up in giant fishing nets and detain innocent people in deplorable conditions. And he's since defended their actions even as nearly all of the cases have been thrown out. I'm a New Yorker, and I happen to really like Bloomberg for the most part; but I didn't vote for his re-election because of the RNC, and will never forgive him for that single transgression.
June 21, 2007 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know how much--but Bloomberg endorsed Lieberman, and campaigned with him here in fall 2006.
He didn't endorse any of the the individuals running for office in NY, for what it's worth.
June 21, 2007 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Proof that Bloomberg is in bed with the GOP? Diane Taylor.
June 21, 2007 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
He supported Lieberman. That says it all to me.
June 21, 2007 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Literally.
June 21, 2007 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bloomberg is an opportunist.
June 21, 2007 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee
With his concealed self-esteem, he probably does not consider his treatment of protesters a 'transgression' that needs 'forgiveness'...a sure sign that he should be relegated to the mayoralty Of that great city (NYC) for the next 920-some-odd days.
The last thing we need is another prez in the mold of 'W' who seems incapable of admitting his mistakes.
June 21, 2007 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The 800-lb gorilla in this room is the fact that Bloomberg, above all else, represents government of, by and for Big Business. Exactly what we don't need more of now. If you want to take the kids to T-Mobile National Park for summer vacation in '09, elect him.
June 21, 2007 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It should be noted here that Lincoln served a few years in the Illinois legislature and one term in the House before running for President. Lincoln's experience in elective office (about 6 or 8 years) came MORE than a decade before he ran.
Franklin Roosevelt actually had a plan to become President as early as 1905. He served, I believe, two terms in the New York Assembly and one term as Governor of New York before becoming our greatest President.
All presidential candidates are ambitious and if we had a way of knowing, I'd bet that most of them have long harbored Presidential ambitions.
Though Edwards (6 years in US Senate) hasn't as much experience in elective office as most other candidates he has the most detailed policy proposals on the table and all of those proposals are potentially very effective reforms.
It should be kept in mind that several US presidents had no prior experience in elective office and that James Buchanan was possibly the most experienced public servant ever to occupy the White House.
The experience angle is not necessarily a predictor of worthiness nor is disqualification because of ambition a wise course.
June 22, 2007 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Play your stupid game. What you are validating is the view that among the Democratic base, Hilary is not desired. For godsake can't we have a candidate that the Democrats like?
June 22, 2007 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
On June 22, 2007 - 3:30pm Good 4 A Merica said:
Play your stupid game. What you are validating is the view that among the Democratic base, Hilary is not desired. For godsake can't we have a candidate that the Democrats like?
Gee, if only we lived in a perfect worled, therefore could have a candidate everyone would like.
There are those who hatred of Hillary has nothing to do with her and everything to do with their own hangups. Knee-jerk hatred is not political decisionmaking, let alone intelligent or wise decisionmaking of any kind.
Such notably never have solutions, or offer alternatives; serving one's hate is all that matters.
June 23, 2007 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blah blah blah... The consistent complaints about Clinton are (1) She is to the right of the Democratic base (2) She triangulates policies rather than speaking for herself (3) She supports troops in Iraq (4) She is DLC ...
These are not "hang ups" of those who oppose republicans like Clinton, they are principled positions of Democrats.
The term "hater" is a cowardly slur to suppress discussion.
June 23, 2007 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink