Obama Rips Romney And McCain, Scorns McCain's Baghdad Stroll
The back and forth between Dem and GOP Presidential candidates is heating up big time over Iraq.
Barack Obama has just unleashed the following statement hammering John McCain and Mitt Romney for criticizing Obama's vote with the majority of Americans and against the no-timetables Iraq War funding bill. Both of them lobbed familiar attacks at Obama -- surrender, white flag, blah, blah, blah. Obama's response:
?This country is united in our support for our troops, but we also owe them a plan to relieve them of the burden of policing someone else?'s civil war. Governor Romney and Senator McCain clearly believe the course we are on in Iraq is working, but I do not.?And if there ever was a reflection of that it's the fact that Senator McCain required a flack jacket, ten armored Humvees, two Apache attack helicopters, and 100 soldiers with rifles by his side to stroll through a market in Baghdad just a few weeks ago.
?Governor Romney and Senator McCain are still supporting a war that has cost us thousands of lives, made us less safe in the world, and resulted in a resurgence of al-Qaeda. It is time to end this war so that we can redeploy our forces to focus on the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and all those who plan to do us harm.?
Note the direct mockery of McCain's Baghdad Stroll. Now, Barack, that's just not done. We just don't go there with McCain. Everything he does is born of unimpeachable integrity, so we don't take such a tone with him. D.C.'s elders will be very unhappy with your incivility and will be shaking their heads and murmuring their disapproval.
Seriously, one thing that deserves constant debate is whether the Dems are hitting back effectively and hard against the GOP's endlessly predictable national security attacks. This, incidentally, is why we often posts statements like these in full -- so you can evaluate the Dems' responses in light of that question.
So how's this latest? Is Obama hitting the mark here? Or does this fall short? Thoughts?


i'd say he did fine, in that i can hardly imagine that any leading dem in congress is going to say "john mccain and mitt romney have proven by their words that they don't understand what is happening in iraq, they don't understand effective counter-terrorism measures, and they don't understand that hope is not a plan. Apparently, all they do understand is to do whatever george bush wants them to do."
i suspect that john edwards can say this though.
May 25, 2007 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hit the Republican candidates on national security! Don't say "they should be ashamed, etc." Attack! Attack! It's their Achilles heel.
May 25, 2007 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's fine. I very much like the fact that he's actually explicitly pointing out how ludicrous McCain's walk in the park that is Baghdad was. Sorry for the tortured grammar.
They ALL need to do this, repeatedly, and right now, so that it starts sinking in to the think-headed and lazy national media.
May 25, 2007 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
He left out the part about making the ordinary folk of that market a target with 21 being slaughtered the next day. The cost of being McCain's props.
Maybe we should send McCain 21 coffins.
May 25, 2007 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice how so much of the discussion is on this Iraq vote or the DoJ scandals. Good misdirection on the part of the administration.
What I want to know is why no one is saying anything about the Executive order signed May 9th granting the Presidency (AKA GWB) the authority to take over control of ALL governmental and business activities in the US in the event of a vaguely described:
This is a frightening power grab in which, based on a presidentially declare emergency, all national functions can be taken over and controlled by the president with NO possibility of congressional oversight.
Here is the link to the White House website text of this Presidential degree labeled NSPD 51.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509- 12.html
May 25, 2007 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack! Barack! speaking truth to power? You are attacking the MSM's darling and hero! Don't do it: they will take umbrage.
Thank God you have decided to let these hypocrites have it. They having been getting away with their self-righteous twaddle for too long.
May 25, 2007 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Attack what they consider their strength, which is a total illusion.
Why should Rove be the only one doing that?
May 25, 2007 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess we'll just have to wait until the CNN Situation Room, to see how it is spun in the media. If it makes the Dem's look strong, they may simply choose not to air it. The Dem's need to be united, because the media just loves to spin them as disorganized, weak and as political oportunists.
May 25, 2007 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look how well that worked after Katrina.
How do we know he won't let (or make, through proxies) another attack happen, just to grab these powers.
Bush desparately needs another dog to wag.
May 25, 2007 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are SO right! This is Rovian politics all over again. Light a fire somewhere else so no one notices the huge burn right in front of their faces.
They were successful in using this same tactic last fall when the entire discussion went from "end the war or not" to "to surge or not" and the media were once again the eager lapdogs and mouthpieces.
If any presidential candidate wants to separate him/herself from the pack, he/she should propose that NO MORE WAR FUNDING will occur until the bush tax cuts are rolled back to pay for it.
Now THAT would get the attention of your basis American zombie.
PEACE
May 25, 2007 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The link provided no longer works...
May 25, 2007 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rove attacks real strengths with illusionary strength.
What Obama is doing is attacking illusionary strengths with real strength.
What's not clear is how this will play in our delusional news media.
May 25, 2007 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like it. I like any counterattack that is this specific and direct, as in the reference to McCain, and the last line, which is a refutation of Bush's comments in yesterday's press conference. I would like to see that part of it sharpened up however - take Bush's exact words and tell how they are lies. One of the Dem candidates should be doing that every day. They can read TPM for hints!!!
May 25, 2007 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
And for anyone who doesn't take this seriously--
It would be wise to take a look at the history of the Phillipines, where President Marcos was democratically elected in the 1960's under a Constitution modeled after our very own.
Then, right before his term was up, he imposed martial law because of a "state of emergency."
And then, he was the dictator of the Phillipines for the next couple of decades.
May 25, 2007 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Greg - you got a link for this or has this been picked up in the press?
I see reporting on the McCain and Multiple Choice Mitt comments but nothing about Obama's.
Don't Tread on Me
May 25, 2007 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try this one:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
I know it's the same--but it works if you access it not from tpmcafe.
Or google NSPD 51. It's out there in the internets.
May 25, 2007 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess a week ago I'd have thought it was a pretty good statement. Now it really doesn't matter, because Obama's party has once again shown itself to be worst kind of politically inept chickenshits. With votes like the one on the Supplemental, "bold" statements like this only highlight the moral rot and strategic idiocy of Obama's colleagues.
I think we've just passed that point where any sitting senator can become president. Or should.
May 25, 2007 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
the power grab opportuinty is scary indeed, and nothing donwe by this administartion is by accident
May 25, 2007 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
take out the space between the dash and the "12"
that space is what breaks the link
scary shee-ite
May 25, 2007 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought it was pretty good. The key is he found a specific -- and effective -- line to attack (the Baghdad stroll). And he didn't use words like "varmint".
May 25, 2007 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Decent job by Obama. The American public realizes how unsafe this war has made America - Democrats just need to keep pounding away at the point. I agree with Kevin Drum when he says:
All the Democratic candidates need to start explaining why we should get out from a national security perspective; why leaving will strengthen us, why staying makes us strategically weaker. Americans already implicitly know that the war is damaging the nation's security, but Democrats keep focusing the death toll when they should be arguing that Iraq is a bad idea from a national security perspective. The national security arguments are out there, but they lack of the kind of focus one needs to crack the Washington CW.
Again, Obama does a decent job here by attacking McCain's credibility, attaching Romney and McCain's names to Bush, and addressing the strategic advantage of ending the war. I'd like to hear Hillary make an equally strong argument, as she has the intellectual chops to make a strong national security argument if she could just commit herself all the way to getting us out of Iraq.
May 25, 2007 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, it isn't working for me either now.
Go to Whitehouse.gov (try not to gag)
Under the heading "News" in the column on the left click on the "Current News" link. That will take you to the most recent May news. Scroll to the bottom of that page and find the "More May News" link and click that. Then scroll down to the date of May 9 and it is the item with the title "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive."
That should get you there.
May 25, 2007 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
NOt a bad job, Barack. It's all talk, still, but as talk goes I'd give it upwards of half a testicle on the ballmeter, which is more than the Democratic congress as a whole gets these days.
May 25, 2007 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will also say this: the time is coming for the candidates to take their fellow Democrats to the woodshed for caving to Bush. Obama, in particular, needs to inject some juice into his campaign if he wants to defeat Hillary. The best way to do this is to go after the Dems and not hold back.
He doesn't need to quite channel Keith Olbermann, but a pointed attack on the failure to control the President and adhere to the will of the voters is in order.
May 25, 2007 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Attack! Attack! Attack!
This is how the right wing took control, and it's the only way they can be defeated. Obama is the only one so far to come close to standing up to this scum. Smart politics.
May 25, 2007 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
for me, it's the republicans who are not supporting the troops. how is supporting the troops cutting spending on medical care, not giving them the right armor, adding time to their rotations, and putting them in some god forsaken hell-hole without a plan?
why are the dems not hammering this point? the republicans are MUCH more vulnerable on the "support the troops" angle. dems just don't have the balls/smarts to go there.
i accuse all of my republican friends of not supporting the troops because they support george bush. this is a simple argument to make and it really puts the opposition on their heels.
at the very least, it would even out the one-sided bashing that democrats continually take in the national argument on defense.
May 25, 2007 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stepanian
Senators Hillary and Obama chose to wait until the results were locked-in before casting their chickenshit "no" votes on the Iraq funding bill. Why are they both being given a "pass' on this fact, and why should anyone listen to anything they say re: Iraq?
May 25, 2007 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I'd like to see is what effect the delusional media have on the elusive "American People".
May 25, 2007 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
you can't be mad at them for "how" they did the right thing.
if you want to criticize them, do it for not using any of their political capital to get others to vote for the right thing as well.
May 25, 2007 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sen. McCain, you are doing a HECKAOFA JOB !
May 25, 2007 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find that I agree with the majority of posters here today on a few simple facts:
This is the only message left with any meaning.
May 25, 2007 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
This link is working as of the time of this writing:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/print/20070509-12.html
May 25, 2007 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Precisely. Plus they are dangerous with their ill considered tactics. Nearly 20 Iraqis are now dead as a direct result of McCain's little public romp. Targeted and killed just to show McCain that no one is safe especially if they do business with him. So while he's pacing around with that stupid smirk on his face taunting insurgents about how safe the market is, many of the market's merchants are now dead and their families wishing McCain had never come because he didn't have enough sense not to shine on light on them, which was like painting a bulls-eye target on their backs, just to make himself look good. Way to go idiot.
May 25, 2007 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's already said she'll end the occupation as soon as she takes office. What more commitment do we want?
May 25, 2007 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain? Come on. Even Tim Russert makes fun of him now.
May 25, 2007 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Like " We don't support funding the destruction of the troops"
Terrorists don't say look what we did to them, they say look what we made them do to themselves...more torture and more Gitmos, Romney.
They will follow us home...No No, that's what we did to them, and that's what the Indians claimed
Custer would do...right into an ambush.
Reagans 9 hated words for the greedy: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
puts a smile on a Katrina victim's face as she says, "Thank God".
If you can't think of a better plan than this then you must be a republican.
May 25, 2007 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is the entire text of the directive from the WH website:
May 25, 2007 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Effective URL?
There are reasons to use the interface to put the URL in a link. The word-wrap tends to screw things up.
May 25, 2007 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama opens his response by repeating a Republican talking point (Support the Troops!) - followed by a "But...".
As always, if the Dem buys the Republican frame, he'll wear it like an albatross.
Obama should be refuting the validity of the "Support the Troops" meme. Instead, he reinforces it, then tries to fight the thing he just reinforced.
Bill Murray and the puddle. Welcome to Groundhog Day.
May 25, 2007 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dems should make the point that the Republicans have demonstrated they are good at one thing and only one thing: getting people killed. They got 2000+ New Yorkers killed on 9/11 by ignoring in-your-face warnings from numerous sources; they got hundreds of citizens killed in New Orleans by ignoring the threat of a category 5 hurricane, and then ignoring the scale of the devastation afterwards; and of course they've gotten 3,400+ troops killed in Iraq by supporting Bush's invasion and then his pig-headed, no-win, doomed to failure policies.
May 25, 2007 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. The notion that Republicans are strong on national defense/war is a bad joke. In fact, in the long term they get just about everything wrong becasue they're fundamentally misguided and short sighted.
Republicans tend to be more jingoistic and militaristic, but hubris doesn't make good policy and it often produces unintended consequences. Many good generals have been Republicans of conventional wars, but not so many good civilian commanders of macro-scale policy and certainly not against insurgencies.
Look at Reagan and the largely Republican backed aggressive FP he promoted. He merely presided over the fall of the USSR which had taken many decades, and was inevitable.
Did Reagan promote democracy or stop the flow of drugs from Latin America? No. Helping various death squads run by dictators and supporting assassination by CONDOR, only hurt our long-term interests. Did he stabilize Latin America or are guys like Chavez and the popularity of his strong anti-US sentiment and nationalization of resources in part a direct result of Reagan's bombastic policies. Today Latin America is more hostile to US Foreign Policy directly because we've been so heavy handed and imperialistic. We continue to beat up on Cuba, and now Che Guevara is a trans-national martyr figure.
It was Reagan who armed and trained the Jihadists from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and of course the Taliban in Afghanistan. Did any of that really accomplish anything? The USSR would still have fallen and left Afghanistan as it couldn't even control Eastern European member nations like the Ukraine. Had we given humanitarian aid rather than guns, there wouldn't be the Taliban, War Lords, or Al Qada armed to the teeth and capable of putting down any Afghanistan democratic/liberal reform by force once the USSR left.
It's the same thing in the private sector with guys like Lee Iaccoca who was responsible for the cheap Mustang revival and SUV/truck mindset, and now laments the lack of leadership that has led to huge deficit spending, and private sector buerocracies like for-profit insurance industry killing US companies like GM. Wait, wasn't the "free market" a magical solution to everything? So why is Japans socialized-democratic healthcare system so much better and why is Toyota now the #1 auto maker with high build quality and cutting edge efficiency technology, while US makers can't sell trucks and SUV anymore, put Mitsubishi engines in Fords, and have crappy engineering that require high maintenance and the warranty costs are also hurting US makers.
Lee Iaccoca and other Republican tuff guys, if you want to know why America is in trouble, simply look in the mirror. It's guys like that who took far too much credit for American prosperity, never really understood why we were prosperous, and reduced our culture with their hubris and ideology destined to fail.
May 25, 2007 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush's Iraq war policy, from the standpoint of defending the country against terrorists, would appear to be completely absurd. But in a speech on the House floor on Wednesday, Dennis Kucinich pointed out that Iraq may have as much as 300 b barrels of oil. At $70 per barrel, this would come to $21 trillion. So far, the U.S. has invested $500 b in the war. According to Kucinich, the oil distribution law that the U.S. is pressuring the Iraqis to sign is a 30 page document, with only a paragraph devoted to oil sharing. The rest of the document seeks to gain access of U.S. oil companies to Iraqi oil.
May 25, 2007 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
He shoots, he scores!!!
Obama's ability to ridicule Publicans is the thing I like best about him. I also loved the number he did on Cheney a few weeks ago.
May 25, 2007 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama nailed it.
Every time he opens his mouth it makes me believe a little bit more that maybe he CAN overcome the 15 million-racist disadvantage he starts the campaign with . . .
May 25, 2007 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first paragraph is a little wimpy, especially it's vague reference to "a plan." The rest is okay.
This is my rewrite of that first paragraph. Personally, I would have been a lot harsher but I wanted to change Obama's language as little as possible:
This country is united in our support for our troops - including supporting relieving them of the burden of policing someone else?'s civil war. Governor Romney and Senator McCain clearly believe the course we are on in Iraq is working. They are wrong.
May 25, 2007 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The second paragraph paints a picture that has long been missing from Dems language in relaying to the American public the twisted untrue reflected in Reps language about everything Iraq. The other two are images of his political framework. Grade: B
May 25, 2007 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad to see that Obama's out there punching back at McCain, but his criticism is NOT very strong at all.
Obama's criticism can be boiled down to three talking points:
1. "policing someone else's civil war."
2. McCain's stroll through the market.
3. the cost of the war and need to focus on al-Qaida.
All of these are well-established Democratic points that have been made hundreds of times before. People get bored hearing them even if they agree.
For Obama's push-back to be really effective, he needs to do something different from other Democrats. Obama also needs to find a way to make his points compelling to people outside the Beltway. Probably, the best way to do that is to connect McCain to the incompetence of Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. There's no end to homespun anecdotes that can be told about Bush administration stupidity.
It's not like Obama's comments were poorly done. But they were mediocre and he needs to do better.
May 25, 2007 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it's not in the MSM, and if leading Republicans aren't "outraged," you aren't hitting hard enough. There is one powerful true statement would drive the Republicans nuts: George W. Bush and his supporters are the best recruiters that Osama bin Laden has ever had, and Iraq is a much better training ground for Al Queda than Afghanistan. (As a matter of fact, the U.S. is following bin Laden's war strategy in both Iraq and Afghanistan- stay and be bled dry. ObL doesn't want us to leave Iraq.) But telling the unvarnished truth in this country nowdays requires real courage.
May 26, 2007 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suspect the great majority of those here empathize with the feeling.
Nevertheless I would remind that our fearless leaders are sheep following the lead of the like of Tim Russert and Chris Matthews repeating vacuous slogans.
For now at least, the Great Unwashed seem way ahead of the politicians in general.
Best, Terry
May 26, 2007 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink