it is looking more and more likely. I worry that the Dems will imagine that they can say, "We're doing this because funding the troops is the *responsible* thing to do, and the President is irresponsibly refusing to give. We're the real leaders."

Of course, what'll actually have happened is that Bush will have won.

Gods forbid the Dems should take a risk: that seems to be reserved for the GOP. And why is it so damn hard for the Dems to make an effective case that the Dem Congress is the one that provided funding, and Bush is the one that prevented funding? It would be child's play for the Republicans.

Is negotiating with pliable GOP congressmembers simply not going to get anywhere? I mean, we all knew the White House was going to stonewall -- that's not news. But is it just not possible to put together 67% in both houses to get something better than a cave to the White House done?

imagine that - there may be negative process stories about the dems in the media. eeek, wouldn't that be an unlivable world! avoid, avoid, avoid at all costs!!!!

that way all we'll get are positive stories about dems!

This is absolutely ridiculous, especially considering the majority of Americans want the bill to contain timetables. Just send him the same fucking bill again and again and again. Jesus, why is this so freaking hard? Everyone agrees with you, morons! Stop even negotiating, that alone is a sign of incredible weakness. Bush is not going to give in on anything, it is like negotiating with a wall. Just send him the same bill and if he doesn't sign it, defund the stupid war like most of the country wants you to.

We need to hunt this 'House Dem Staffer' and stick he/she/its head on a pike on the lawn in front of the House.

We each must call our Senators and Representative and tell them to beat George into submission.

Congress ignores e-mails as SPAM these days. Letters lay around waiting to be tested for pathogens for weeks. Phone calls and faxes are our tickets.

Most cell phones have free long distance these days . . . burn three or four minutes expressing yourselves.

Send the Congressional Dems over to my place for some poker - I could use a windfall right now. I hope Mr. Obama in particular brings a full wallet.

Seriously, This situation is a direct result of Obama's and other Dems' piss-poor negotiating skills. Why should Bush back down, when the Dems promised to do so from the start?

"Hey Victor, I got nothin' (shows cards). If you raise me, I'll fold."

"Thanks, Barry. Raise."

"D'oh!"

$$$

while i don't know what she meant specifically by waste of time, as much as i'd like to see them all frog marched out of there, i still have to agree with the sentiment.

how long, start to finish would an impeachment take? pretty much all the way to the very end of this term. it would become THE dominant daily political news. it would drown out all presidential campaigns. it would distract everyone away from governing and into the political theater. once commenced it would have to be won and so every bit of political capital every Dem had would have to be cashed in for the impeachment. meanwhile the VRWC machine would be in full attack mode, happy to have something other than Iraq to talk about. "Dems only care about political stunts! Dems just hate Bush!!" Dem discipline sucks and many would likely sista soulja this moment to distinguish themselves from everyone else. that would reinforce the argument that it's all just theater at the expense of american governance.

all the while, the white house would just keep saying, we're at war and these people care about is theater! over and over. bush could even become the oppressed underdog that people cheer for.

and, best case scenario, the impeachment succeeds. bush and maybe cheney are booted a few months early. yay.

Maybe she will have to conclude regretfully that the only way to end the war is to impeach Bush.

Thus solving the Republicans two biggest problems for them! And then every Repub gets to run as a "post Bush" Republican without ever repudiating Bush or his policies!
Gosh, the only equally large favor the Dems could do for the Repubs is ignoring the plundering of the voter rolls.
Oh, sorry, they're already doing that.

When the Dems abandoned their natural constituency to compete for the "swing vote" they condemned themselves, in order to attract those who might very well vote Republican, to offering basically the same politics as Repubs. Differentiation from the Repubs, which should be the Dems. strength, instead turns out to be a weakness.

Send the Congressional Dems over to my place for some poker - I could use a windfall right now.

Exactly! The poker metaphor comes to mind so readily because it's so apt. The 28% Decider can't win in a showdown, but he knows his opponents well enough to judge that he doesn't really need cards.

At least at the casino I can take advantage of bad poker players and gain something from their ignorance. Here the whole country save the upper echelons of the GOP suffers.

Doesn't it seem like they've sent the message from the outset that "if you wait long enough, we'll give in like we usually do"?

It's amazing. The Democrats are almost like Gen. McClellan in the Civil War, constantly overestimating the enemy's strength and underestimating their own. Needless to say, this makes it very, very hard to win.

And they looked from man to pig and pig to man and back again and soon it became impossible to tell the difference.

I'm with you. Why not fund in small "emergency" portions, justified by on-going negotiations to maintain the status quo? There is no reason to cave when one is in tha majority specifically because the public voted you in specifically NOT to cave. It's absurd.

We all know that not one solider will go with out bullets or food; we all know the humvees will have gas; we all know the medics will have the necessary tools to treat battle-wounds; we all know that the public is roundly in the Dems' corner on this issue; we all know that the president has NO CLOUT with the public or his own party; most importantly, we all know that by the end of the summer the GOPers will be forced to assume a more Dem-like position in order to save their own asses.

I think (read: hope) that Reid is smart enough to understand this very simple reality.

I am also dubious about this staffer's assessment that the COngress hasn't successfully communicated their positiont to the public. Of course they have! The public bloody AGREES with their position.

Sheesh.

Send Bush the same bill, over and over. By the fifth veto, the public will get the message.

Remember the bitchslap theory of politics. Bush is weak and disliked. Time for him to receive a few slaps.

I think corndog has this exactly right. If you consider the fact Abu Gonzalez has been criminally incompetent in both the performance of his duties and his defense of that performance, the fact is that he remains Attorney General. Barring the revelation of evidence that demonstrates the criminal activity that I think most of us who post here assume to have gone on (and to go on currently) in the administration, impeachment proceedings would, without question, redound to the Democrats' disadvantage.

It doesn't seem like the Dems have a lot of choices, unfortunately....

It's not Pelosi, it's the conservatives in her caucus. Pelosi is adamant against the war. It's the gutless "moderates" who are afraid if their own shadows who won't stand up to Bush. It doesn't give her much room to maneuver. She's much more liberal than anyone else in the leadership.

The solution is to take the Murtha plan and fund the troops through July 31. Make Bush come back and make the Pubs vote to support him all over again, after they have heard from their constituents.

Folks need to remember just how long it can take to stop a war. It took almost 6 years in the case of Vietnam.

Look - he's sticking tough. Dems should too. No benchmarks, no accountability, no money. Simple. End of story. No freakin' money, Mr. President. Your war is over this second, or its over on a timetable.

Congressional Dems need to stop listening to triangulating consultants.

Send the same bill back. Repeat the mantra early and often, 'We have repeatedly handed the President bills that fund our troops, set benchmarks for Iraqi progress, and a timetable for withdrawal, BUT the President is an intransigent baby.' The American people support all of these conditions on funding.

What's the worst that happens if Bushie never signs a funding bill? The military doesn't have the means to operate in Iraq, so either the Commander Guy withdraws them, or leaves them in harm's way. Sure the Dems will get some blame either way, but the blood will be on Bush's hands if he leaves them in Iraq.

Nobody wants soldiers dying, but Bush is going to leave them there indefinitely, where soldiers surely will continue to die. If we deny him funding, perhaps some soldiers die in a hurried pullout, but surely it will be fewer than if we stay, and for an infinitely more defensible moral position. Every soldier knows they may be called on to defend their withdrawing colleagues; sometimes paying the ultimate price. I don't think any of them consider it dishonorable to do so.

You can't negotiate with people who are iherently irrational, and won't give a modicum of respect to your position. Sure, you keep trying to talk and find middle ground, but you must be prepared to fight them, and kick their ass until they come to the table in good faith...or at least out of necessity.

The Dems need to stop vacillating in the face of Republican false charges of "weak on defense, not supporting the troops, cutting and running" blah blah blah. Everytime the Dems back down they reinforce the Republican's charges and they show the country they have no backbone. In short, they look weak.

If the Dems drew a line in the sand on Iraq and, using facts, strongly counterattacked Bush and his gang in Congress they would have the majority of the country on their side.

I would go so far as to say; with enough counter attacks the Dems would soon have the Republicans backing down.

As if the Dems don't have enough ammunition against Bush vis a vis Iraq, now we discover he is against the raise in pay for troops fighting overseas.

With all the shit Bush and the Republicans piled on the country the last six years I simply cannot understand how anyone would back down from this gang and their specious charges.

The Dems also need to stop being potted plants when appearing on News Shows and allowing news anchors like Wolf Blitzer, Brian Williams, etc., to simply repeat Republican talking points and allow it to pass. Its time the Dems started disputing the anchors themselves.

Control of the 3 Houses of government is there for the Democrat's taking, they can only lose it by living up to their reputation by appearing as weak sisters.

What makes any of you think that Bush will back down? Has he somehow become rational on this war? It takes two sides to negotiate a reasonable settlement. Now, it's time to crack the Congressional Republicans.

First, pass all of the add-ons (Katrina and every damned thing that was added in) and submit it to Bush.

Second, draft a two-month funding (request divided by 6) and immediately pass it, conference it and submit it to Bush.

Third, at the same time the second is passed, submit a 10-month funding bill with withdrawal deadlines, benchmarks and the 3.5% military pay increase.

Fourth, immediately draft budget requirements so money can't be moved around legally. Does anyone think this administration won't illegally move the money around anyway? At least this would provide a track record as the idiots are caught doing this.

Fifth, provide funding for troop and equipment withdrawal when the Idiot-in-Chief gives in.

Repeat the second and third steps ad nauseum to keep this issue before the public.

The Democrats have to crack the Congressional Republicans and there are already cracks in their stand. The pressure has to be kept up with bills and grandstanding speeches ad nauseum by the Democrats so it will hit the news. The Democratic candidates must also hit the same notes everywhere they go.

Obama was right to begin with--Bush plans on playing chicken with the troops. Bush will deny military pay and every damned thing else that's possible in the budget to keep those troops there. Bush is absolutely 100% convinced that he is right...it is time to break away all of his Republican support in Congress. Politicians will crack, believe me.

What happens if they don't pass a funding resolution/bill by July 1? Does anyone think that Bush is going to withdraw the troops? No, he won't. He will find a way to maintain them in Iraq but the military budget will take a huge hit, which might piss off the brass who aren't crazy about this war or Bubble-Boy and The Duck Hunter.

Mrgavel

I would be inclined to fund to September or October with benchmarks (that include reduced violence and reduced US casualties among other things including Shia-Sunni cooperation measures)and than when they are not met, and they won't be, send a bill that funds withdrawal and if it is vetoed do not pass another bill. Make this all clear in interviews now (other than saying that it is near certain that these things won't work, leave that for events as they unfold).

I really just do not see any other way. There is a chance that by the Fall there will be a few more Republicans on side. Whatever the costs I think that ending it now makes more sense than leaving it to '08, because this war will not end well so end it on the watch of the President that started it.

global citizen

The country wants a timetable. Keep sending it back, and keep reminding Bush and the press that Democrats have the American people behind them.

"Thank God George Bush is our president." -Rudy Giuliani

Offer the blank check until September with reevaluation at that time.

I actually don't know why this wasn't done already, since everyone -- including Bush and many Republicans -- have already said September seems to be the point in time when they know whether the "surge" will work.

Seems like a perfect time to reconsider, and shouldn't be too hard to sell.  

You're depressed --

I've been depressed since the Feingold-Reid vote with the realization that we have Dems who aren't really Dems... and if we win in 2008 they will still vote for the continued occupation of Iraq for either oil, defense contracts, and/or israel... arghh.

Wes Clark- “this time, we've gone too far.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3269155

If the democrats fold then Bush will prove that he is the decider that Congress cannot/will not hold him accountable. Checks and Balances -- poof = unitary executive.

And one more thing, call it the "Bring the Troops Home *NOW*" bill, and let the WH try to spin that as being anti-troops.

The first thing the Dems have to do is to start saying as loudly as they can, as often as they can, that they have funded the troops. If they do go unfunded, it's on the prevaricator in chief.

There's no doubt in my mind that they'll cave. They have that same old fear of looking weak on defense and terror, and they're going to climb right into that stupid tank all over again.

Joining their game means losing.

Why don't they just pass a funding bill through the end of the fiscal year (e.g. Sept 30), with waivable benchmarks and no extraneous matters (minimum wage, farm relief etc.)

That gives the surge the funding it needs until Petraeus and Crocker testify; that gives Bush all the money he wants for the war (for a suitably limited period); that does not really constrain Bush's hand (or 'hurt' the troops in the field, since Bush can waive the benchmarks. If he again vetoes it, an attempt should be made to override it, and if that fails, no further congressional action should be taken--because, at that point, it will be obvious that Bush is exercising the veto simply because he isn't getting his way 100%. I really don't think, if this course was taken, the White House or the Congressional Republicans could explain to the American people why the President acted as he did, thereby denying the funding for the troops.

" Pelosi as virtual President is a constant challenge to Bush, Pelosi is much more responsible than Bush and two, a Pelosi who fails to back down is a public relations disaster for Bush. "

Yeah, that would be a nice Pelosi. However, thats not the Pelosi we got.
Christ, Im a Repub, & Im sayin WE here. Dont that tell ya sumpthin?

Everybody knows benchmarks are BS: they will never be met.

Everybody knows Bush and his party suckered the nation into a BS war with BS.

Pitifully, too many Dems cowered at the margins or rode the stinking wave (Hila-ahem-ry).

Everyone is thirsting for stonger moves by the Dems. The crazies are forever going to try to blame the Dems for the fiasco no matter what (as they have been doing since the first day the roses failed to appear)... Iraq will (has?) become Vietnam - if only the Dems hadn't tied our hands.

The Dems owe it to the nation to end this thing. 60% or more will remember them as the ones who put an end to the madness despite the media jerkfest. People gave the Dems a landslide in the House in '06. To me, this was also a rebuke to the the media elites at CNN, ABC, NBC, the WaPo, the NYT et al., as they continued to try to intimidate the Dems into being less anti-war and advised them to take the high road to Broderism. The public rejected the republicans AND the major media last Nov. Americans have turned against the Repubs and the war despite the constant cheerleading.

Hence, forget worrying about the headlines unfavorable to Democrats - they will continue no matter what they do. (i.e the media's treatment of Pelosi in Syria) Dems stand up and take on the psycho-bullies and Americans will give them the majorities they need to continue to clean up the mess. The more messes cleaned, the more solid the margins. Why not go back to 300 in the House and 60 plus in the Senate like the days of yore?

I have read several accounts about Obama's exploits around the poker table in Springfield IL. He has a reputation for playing a very tough game. He apparently plays tight but seems to have excellent skills for knowing when to make his move.

Victor, I think your comments are a cheap shot. Obama was right from the start. He has been pushing the short leash. He voted for Feingold-Reid. He has been confronting Repubs out in the grassroots. Don't blame him because the Dems don't have the votes.

If you think just not passing any funding is a politically viable option then you know nothing about Congress and even less about the voters in this country.

Two things:
1.) Constitutional crisis NOW. The people, the voters, have made it clear.
2.) Stop using the term "for the troops." Completely. The money is not for them. The money is "for the OCCUPATION." Or maybe "for the war." Or even "for the president's war." In fact, stop using the term "troops" completely. Try "forces" or something else. It slants the discussion to the point that no meaningful dialog is possible.

The same people who ask, "What kind of message will it send to our enemies and our troops in the field?" Are the people who will not grant pay raises and will let Walter Reid dissolve into a third-world hospital nightmare. They care nothing about "the troops" but they use that phrase to their advantage.

The Democrats need to send a bill with a benchmark to the president. The benchmark they should use is a vote by the Iraqi parliment to either request the troops to stay or ask them to leave. They need to make a big issue out of the point that the Iraqi parliament has already introduced a bill for consideration *with the backing of a majority*, asking us to remove our troops. Polls of Iraqi citizens suggest that almost 90% want us to leave.

We should be prepared to oblige. That would be very hard for Bubbleboy to veto. If he does, then it will be a nightmare for the Republicans. That can't be characterized as a surrender date; that's an up your nose with a rubber hose date. How do they justify that to their constituents? Chew on that one for a change King George...

Don't get me wrong, I like Obama. I just think his loose lips may have sunk this particular ship.

I really,really, really wish corndog was wrong, but when you're right, you're right, and this is exactly the reality we find ourselves in with a 50-50 senate (LIEberman being not a Democrat) and a razor thing majority in the House. Basicaly what we have is an election last year that could be described the way Winston Churchill described the allied victories in North Africa: the end of the beginning. We have a long way to go and the best we can hope for now is not to lose ground to the enemy.

"Turning the repubs out went about as deep with the voters as firing a manager for a losing season. Americans want to "win" the occupation."

If you believe this, from reading polls and seeing answers to questions, you must be one of the younger generation who were the victims of "whole language" and never learned to read, thus never learning to think. You have things upside down and bassackwards - I would say you qualify as a Republican.

I would love to give this a 5 - it's exactly my thought. Exactly my thought until I look at a 50-50 Senate and a House "majority" that isn't solid enough to stand with the moderate morons jumping the fence. Which leaves them unable to do this, unless we want the Blue Dogs being "responsible" and voting with the Republicans to give The Invader of Poland what he wants.

Terry,

Dear friend is there a full moon out tonight? You seem to be baying :-)

They simply do not have the votes. Blame the public for sending 49 Repubs and Lieberman and a few of his type to the Senate.

What the hell? Give Obama a break, he voted for Feingold-Reid and they came up nearly 30 votes short of what would actually be needed to pass the thing. Why is this Obama's fault? The left is getting increasingly loonie on this issue.

Obama is sending teams of canvassers out in NH to get voters to call Sununu and Gregg. What would you like Obama to do, that he isn't doing?

This has nothing to do with Obama saying that the didn't want to get drawn into a game of chicken with Bush over the troops. Obama has been saying for months that he doesn't want to give Bush a blank check. He voted for Feigold-Reid.

This is about votes. The anti-war folks don't have enough for Feingold-Reid, they don't have enough to send the bill back, the way Edwards wants, because Smith and Hagel won't go another round. How is this Obama's fault? Your argument strikes me as nonsensical.

Give Obama a break, he voted for Feingold-Reid

By proxy he did. And I give him credit for finally going that far though he refused to support it earlier when it might have been more helpful. All the other Democratic presidential candidates that could voted for Reid-Feingold too.

I am not asking for a refund of my small contribution to Obama but I am increasingly wary of the fellow. I may not even vote for him if he is nominated but will not stand and fight.

Best, Terry

You must be a Rove secrert operative--refusing to fund troops at war by repeatedly sending Bush a bill knowing he will veto it is a sure way to hand control of both houses of Congress back to the GOP. Go ask Jim Webb, John Tester and Claire McCaskill if they think that yours is the single dumbest idea they have heard since being elected.

Democrats will never convince a majority of idependents--who are the part of the electorate that will count in 2008 and who were key to those three Senators winning-- that troops will not be bereft of ammo and supplies if all the Democrats do is enhgage in pointless game-playing over funding.

Democrats cannot end the war before 2009. Deal with that.

bordersmuggler, please show us where Jim Webb, Claire McCaskill and John Tester won because they unequivocally stated during their campaigns they would vote to cut off funding for the war by March 31, 2008. Please show us where all 30 Democrats who took GOP House seats unequivocally committed to do that in the course of their campaigns. You can't.

You must be a Rove secrert operative--refusing to fund troops at war by repeatedly sending Bush a bill knowing he will veto it

WOW! That Half-Vast Rightwing Conspiracy must be more brilliant than anyone thought. LOL!

Best, Terry

The Feingold-Reid bill did not stop funding. There were loopholes in that bill that allowed for funding of combat troops.

Maybe they should outflank the GOP, put together a bill that will have a timetable, but that timetable ends in 2025.

The GOP has been playing the game of "We're almost there, any day now..." It's easy to defend and support and delude. Because they don't have to give any dates any benchmarks. But if we post the worst case options it will force them to put deadlines on themselves.

American's don't want 100,000+ troops in Iraq in 2015.

Just imagine the Sunday Talk Show thread...
GOP: We aren't going to have 100,000+ troops in Iraq in 2015.
Dem: Will we have 100,000+ troops in Iraq in 2010?
GOP: Of course we won't have 100,000+ troops in Iraq in 2010.
Dem: So will we be leaving Iraq in 2007, 2008 or 2009?
GOP: We'll leave when we are finished.
Dem: So if it takes until 2025, we'll still keep 100,000+ troops there?

The Feingold-Reid bill did not stop funding. There were loopholes in that bill that allowed for funding of combat troops.

The bill would provide have provided funding for a leisurely withdrawal.

Should withdrawal be quicker?

Yeah, I think so but that's a tactical rather than strategic decision.

Best, Terry

I'd like to look on the bright side here... the Democrats who wanted to give Bush more time and wanted "benchmarks" that were waiveable have just been told to by Bush to stuff it.

To me, this opens the door to the VERY short leash idea proposed by Obey "No strings attached" funding until July 31. (Especially if it includes a pay raise, and funds for veterans medical care) this proposal is perfect in terms of PR.... indeed, Congress should compel Petraus to show up and explain what will happen if Bush were to veto this kind of "no strings" funding.

They've already done that. Obey stripped all the extraneous non military stuff (spinach, Katrina, flood, drought and other aid) out of the original supplemental and put it in HR 2207 which passed 302 to 120. May 10, that was the same day HR 2206 passed and HR 2237 failed.

So over 80 Repubs voted for HR 2207 once they couldn't claim it was hamstringing the troops. I wonder how many were railing at it as pork then?

Bush still says he'll veto it because it doesn't qualify as emergency funding. Most of these expenditures were passed in last year's congress by Repubs but they never got around to appropriating the money because they didn't pass one single domestic spending bill last year. Not one single one.

AIPAC has been all over these Iraq/Iran bills. Advocating for obviously your and their "self-interest". It's their job, their stated reason for being to make sure our military remains in Iraq and if the right 'circumstances' arise attack Iran. You should know their agenda - as it sounds like you donate to them.

Israel's and AIPAC's agenda is very clear and very open now. Especially after Olmert's failed and planned in advance war with Lebanon. They are now paranoid about being left alone in the Middle East. They 'need' our troops to remain in the area, for their security and to maybe even finish off what the US and Israeli neocons tried to start!

AIPAC has also been quite open with its campaigning, fundraising and propaganda speeches. Promoting their new friend John Hagee, who is more than happy via his internet outreach videos, books and now AIPAC aligned speeches to preach to the world, Israel must be safe and oh yeah an attack on Iran would be of interest and benefit to us all us 'good' Christians.

Hagee and AIPAC propaganda fundraising nights such as these:

"..."A Night to Honor Israel" events are been coordinated and conducted around the country by Christians United for Israel. They are designed to give people an opportunity to join together in demonstration of solidarity with Israel and support for the Jewish people.

..jewish organizations that are attending:

* American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
* Jewish Community Relations Council (JCRC)
* Made In Israel
* Minneapolis Jewish Federation
* United Jewish Fund and Council of St. Paul..."

Link PDF
H/T: Jews On First

A right little war and political money faction coming together to make sure our troops remain in the Middle East to neutralize Iran and to bring on Armageddon.

Other than their obvious attacks on the Feingold-Reid bill, here are the other bills AIPAC has heavily lobbied to bring down.

Andrews Iran Amendment: "to prevent funds authorized in the bill for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from being obligated or expended to plan a contingency operation in Iran.

Failed by recorded vote: 202 - 216. (Roll no. 364)

Defazio Iran Amendment: "to clarify that no previously enacted law authorizes military action against Iran.

It also prohibits funding authorized by the bill or in any other act from being used to take military action against Iran without specific authorization from Congress unless there is a `national emergency created by an attack by Iran upon the United States, its territories or possessions or its armed forces'

Failed by recorded vote: 136 - 288 (Roll Call 365)

BTW MURTHA the guy who supposedly wanted to hold Bush to account, and not give our insane President a blank check voted NAY on both the Defazio & Andrews amendments.

Interesting that, when 'recently' when in the spotlight: "Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the chairman of the House defense appropriations subcommittee, voted against the amendments in 2005 and 2006. But it was Murtha, a staunch Iraq war opponent who this year pushed for the language in the supplemental prohibiting military action in Iran without congressional authorization." (The Hill)

It's a shame that the Defazio's and Andrew's amendments weren't really publicised in blogs, so that constituents (other than the AIPAC and CUFI rapid response emailer and telephone drones) might have had a chance to call and ask their representatives to support these amendments. There was not much press (even here) that they failed either.

So, YES Emet18 AIPAC did have a lot to do with there not being enough votes in the House and Senate.

The Dems should pass a bill that gives Bush a blank check but raises taxes drastically on the wealthiest 1% to pay for it (perhaps on the oil companies as well). I've seen this idea posted on TPM before and don't know why people aren't echoing it...if it got bounced around the blogs enough perhaps it could achieve some momentum. This would put Bush in a terrible position-- his war or his friends. And hey, if the wealthiest 1% want to pay for the war, and the brainwashed (by the Armed Forces Network) troops want to keep fighting, then let them.

I'm with you. Why not fund in small "emergency" portions, justified by on-going negotiations to maintain the status quo? There is no reason to cave when one is in tha majority specifically because the public voted you in specifically NOT to cave. It's absurd.

I agree with this. I don't know why it is so terrible to fund the war through September. This is going to be a long process and public pressure on Republicans is the only way that anything at all is going to change before 2009.

This is going to be a long process and one that depends until 2009 on REPUBLICAN votes. Unless Republicans are willing to break with the President publicly over Iraq NO bill can move forward. And Bush knows that and knows that Republicans won't do that and Democrats don't have the votes to do anything, so he's safe.

Democrats can't even send the funding bill back to Bush and dare him to veto it again. They don't even have the votes for THAT.

So, in the game of chicken Bush wins. The only thing to do is to keep the funding going for another 6 months while trying to build public pressure and support for a cutoff. And hope that Republicans will eventually cave under public pressure.

Here's WHY, from the CNN Poll of 5/4/07:

"One proposal would not provide additional funds for U.S. troops in Iraq and would require the U.S. to withdraw all its troops by March 2008. Would you favor or oppose that bill?"

5/4-6/07
Favor:39%, Oppose: 60%, Unsure:2%

He'd love that. They don't remotely have the votes for that and it would be political suicide at this point, taking all focus away from Iraq as others in this thread have pointed out.

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