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New Winger Attack: John Edwards Could Be Our "First Woman President"

It looks as if Ann Coulter's "faggot" insult of John Edwards has set the tone for a new right-wing taunt: That John Edwards could become our "First Woman President." Check out this screen grab of Rush Limbaugh pushing the new smear:




Rush's diatribe above was inspired by an article yesterday in the conservative New York Sun entitled, "Could Edwards Become First Woman President?." The artice quoted abortion rights activist and Edwards backer Kate Michelman saying that Edwards "understands the reality of women's lives."

The Sun then suggested that her praise for Edwards on women's issues is "provoking debate" that Edwards may soon lay claim to the title of "First Woman President," and to attack Michelman and the Edwards campaign for pushing such an argument. The kicker: Neither Michelman nor the Edwards camp were ever quoted actually making any such point.


Nevertheless, Rush picked up on the article and said:


So John Edwards is on tap now, according to one of the nation's largest abortion rights supporters to become the first woman president in the United States — and, of course, the barrier is down. The first black president, Bill Clinton. That barrier is broken. Sometimes all you can do is laugh at these people. Speaking of the Breck Girl ...



Here we go ...


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I know this remark is contentious and folks will not like it. But I am only making a query. While we all hate stereotypes, the reason they exist is because at bottom they are based on some actions/behavior which is being grossly and maliciously distorted.

What is it about Edwards that he may have done or said that elicited the very specific type of vile and vicious attack by Coulter and how did he become a feminized caricature in this article?

This article picks up on the same theme of Edwards somehow not being 'manly'.  What is going on here?

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It's the hair.

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they got nothin' on Edwards, so they have to make something up. He doesn't have a heroic Vietnam service record to smear and lie about. He doesn't have a bimbo eruption problem to exploit. John Solomon already tried to gin up a fake Whitewater 2.0 scandal and that failed.

So, why not question his manhood if you have nothing else?

I'm sure this will be incredibly damaging to the Edwards campaign, what with all the limbots who were thinking of voting for him.

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...and, I'll add, the pill-popping child-molesting three-failed-marriages terminally-obese balding Limbaugh is taunting Edwards because his hair is too good?

It's like the ugly loser kid who picks his nose at school pointing and laughing at the student body president.

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Well dang, his hair does not look as good as Jimmy Johnson the ex-Dallas Cowboys coach. Talk about a Alberto VO5 look, he has it. Gorgeous head of hair. So did that US Atty, from WA, who testified ...but Edwards hair,...ain't all that.

Edwards does have beautiful facial features for a man.

Do you think if he changed his hair that would make a big difference? Does he need a new stylist, is all?

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While we all hate stereotypes, the reason they exist is because at bottom they are based on some actions/behavior which is being grossly and maliciously distorted. 

Oh please. Can you please give me a break?  Is this really the first comment from a TPMCafe member?  Talk about self defeating.  Look: the GOP feminizes every Democratic candidate. They made Gore into a chortling, chubby dork. Kerry was French. And now Edwards is a woman.  Are you trying to tell me that Republicans are actually on to something in any of these cases?

It's horseshit.  But more importantly, they do it over and over again.  There is no secret something about Edwards that makes him vulnerable to this stuff.  It's GOP Smears 101.

I mean, what do you think the whole "Obama isn't black enough" smear is about?   It's playing on the stereotype of the pimped out gansta, saying that Obama is nothing more than an uptight bookworm from the Ivy League.  They want to feminize him.  Just like they want to butch-out or bitch-out Hillary with her "shrillness" or "ambition."

It's all the same game, over and over.  Identity politics turned on their head to attack the other side...

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Edwards is a regular guy. He does have effeminate characteristics - he's clean, he smiles a lot, he's pretty, he's soft spoken, he's got a childlike innocent charm about him (even if he's neither childlike or innocent). He doesn't have that bravado, machismo (real or imitation) that you see in many Presidential contenders.

I liked Edwards in 04, and I still think he's a good guy. However, he lost me in 04 when he got all giddy at 'not following the rules' during his debate with Cheney. He suddenly looked like a middle-schooler, and far from presidential.

His candidacy announcement this year seemed awkward. Like he was unsure of himself a bit. And maybe that's what the Right is chasing is Edwards' appearance of insecurity. I think it may be an act devised for the courtroom that he's trying to carry over, but 'soft touch' doesn't play well in Presidential races.

I'd take Edwards and Obama over Hillary any day.

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toni morrison started it.

its great fun.


*btw, if edwards is the first breck girl president, then roy blunt is the first five-year-old looking president.


and dont boehner tan well?

edit: blunt is not running for president. i meant minority whip. or butt-face.

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Call it what it is. This is misogyny, and it's as much anti-woman as it is anti-Edwards. Maybe even more. Edwards' isn't getting hit like thus just because he has boyish looks (boyish, not girlish). He's getting hit because he is speaking about issues that appeal to women, and because women are responding favorably.

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 Look: the GOP feminizes every Democratic candidate. They made Gore into a chortling, chubby dork. Kerry was French. And now Edwards is a woman. 

Um, no. These stereotypes did not elicit the vile slur Coulter used against Gore and Kerry...they were both portrayed as nerdy, intellectuals. Not quite the same as the slur used by Coulter. Nor the feminization.

Are you trying to tell me that Republicans are actually on to something in any of these cases?

No. I simply did not get where they were drawing the inference from. Take the examples of Gore and Kerry you used. I could clearly see that Gore was a dork for his 'internet' comment that was distorted, and Kerry was French, based on his totally cosmopolitan and urbane manner. That was clear.  What wasn't clear was what was behind the slurs about Edward.

I mean, what do you think the whole "Obama isn't black enough" smear is about?   It's playing on the stereotype of the pimped out gansta, saying that Obama is nothing more than an uptight bookworm from the Ivy LeagueThey want to feminize him

Not exactly. White America's perception of blacks is about 50 cents vs. an Andrew Young or Will Smith. However, there is nothing feminizing about being portrayed as a ganster or criminal as opposed to an erudite intellectual. It seems you see feminization in all stereotypes, I don't.

Just like they want to butch-out or bitch-out Hillary with her "shrillness" or "ambition."

Being a bitch is about being mean and vicious and using power to hammer others. It is not about being butch.

Bottomline, I like Edwards and just wanted to know what was contributing to this 'girlyman' meme.

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The John Edwards hair thing is nothing new. In 2004 there were winger trolls posting on The Nation's blogs calling him "Silky Pony". Last month I saw the epithet used by Chicago Tribune right-wing columnist John Kass. It must be going around in the right wing comentariat. It's not enough to attack him on the substance of his positions, so they do ad-hominem attacks on his hair.
It's so juvenile.

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Now this makes politcal sense and would account for Hillary launching a program to reach out to women.

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LOL--this is what they're going to go with? Have they not noticed that Rudie Guiliani is the Republican Party's front runner?

Yes, the pudgy, short, and lisping Rudie Guiliani.

Edwards was a defensive tackle. The Republicans want to play "quien es mas macho," they're gonna have to do a lot better than Rudie.

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Um, no. These stereotypes did not elicit the vile slur Coulter used against Gore and Kerry...they were both portrayed as nerdy, intellectuals. Not quite the same as the slur used by Coulter. Nor the feminization.

Perhaps feminization isn't the perfect word for the GOP treatment of Gore and Kerry.  Emasculation is probably better.  The reason Kerry was smeared as a vascillating, over-intellectualized Frenchie was to deflate his image as a war hero.  Esmasculate him.  Make him seem like less of man.  Make him seem like less of a leader.  Meanwhile, GWB, who never served a day in the military, was puffed up as a man's man, who "you'd want to have a beer with."

However, there is nothing feminizing ab ut being portrayed as a ganster or criminal. It seems you see feminization in all stereotypes, I don't.

You seem to have gotten my point about Obama exactly backwards.  They are saying Obama is "not black enough" as a way to emasculate him because he doesn't fit the black stereotype.  The black pimp/gangsta is an ultra macho image.  The GOP, by calling Obama "not black enough" is saying that he is not macho, not gangsta, not a pimp.  He is, according to the GOP, someone like Gore or Kerry -- not quite a "woman," but certaintly an over-intellectualized, ivory tower nerd.  Not a man's man, like GW or Captain Guiliani.  Why do you think they focused so closely on that picture of Obama with his shirt off at the beach?

Being a bitch is about being mean and vicious and using power to hammer others. It is not about being butch.

The hard right routinely accuses Hillary of being a lesbian.  And plenty of women will tell you that acting like a man by being assertive or demanding or forceful automatically earns the "bitch" label.   I'm not sure where your definition for "bitch" came from, on the other hand.

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These are the same people who thought the Pretender in Chief looked sooo manly in his flight suit strut on the USS Photo Opportunity.

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its not the hair.

it is his relationship with the hair. check youtube.


if it is mysoginistic to hail(tar) Edwards on womans issues, then it is ______* to hail (tar) Clinton on Black issues.


*witty, and yet kinda sad for black people.

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Why would it be misogynistic to hail Edwards for being concerned about issues that are important to women?

That aside, there's a very good argument that it was and is racist to "tar" Clinton (either Hillary *or* Bill) for caring about issues that are important to African-Americans.

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Actually, the "1st woman president" barrier was broken already too...when we elected a former college cheerleader as our 43rd president. Nice pom poms Georgie!

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I hope he is our first woman President. Because in order to do that, he has to be elected.

I think it's possible that while all the media attention is on Obama & Clinton (who will split the black vote), Edwards will end up with the nomination.

The Repubs are scared of that and are thus concentrating on destroying Edwards.

Food for thought, anyway.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. They know that he is attractive to fringe elements of their support, and so its time to bring out the 3rd grade playground insults. Nerd doesn't fly, Ann Coulter already said he was gay, which did not work out so well, so now they are calling him a girl.

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Well, damn, if hair is all it takes then Trent Lott must be the first gay Senator from Mississippi! Or is it the first lesbian Senator? And don't get me started about former Ohio Congressman James Traficant!

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Here are Coulter's greatest hits in recent years:

Al Gore needed to be taught how to be an "alpha male." He doesn't "know who he is."

John Kerry "flip-flops" like a flaccid penis.

John Edwards is "the Breck girl."

Howard Dean was "hysterical."

Barack Obama is "Obambi." Bill Clinton was "a pervert."

Hillary Clinton is a lesbian.

As Digby says:

The underlying premise of the modern conservative movement is that the entire Democratic party consists of a bunch of fags and dykes who are both too effeminate and too masculine to properly lead the nation. Coulter says it out loud. Dowd hints at it broadly. And the entire press corps giggles and swoons at this shallow, sophomoric concept like a bunch of junior high pom pom girls.

Here's how Coulter's "liberal" counterpart, Maureen Dowd, talks about Obama and Hillary:

In the past few weeks, Dowd has described Obama as “legally blonde;” as “Scarlett O’Hara;” as “Obambi,” as a “Dreamboy,” and now as a “schoolboy.” But as we’ve noted, Dowd persistently mocks Dem males as a race of big girlie-men. They feel pretty—and they’re the Breck Girl. Now, Obama is constantly some sort of “boy”—or an iconic white woman.

Hillary: 

After David Geffen made critical comments about Hillary, she seized the chance to play Godzilla stomping on Obambi.

As a woman, she clearly feels she must be aggressive in showing she can ''deck'' opponents, as she put it—whether it's Saddam with her war resolution vote or Senator Obama when he encroaches on areas that she and Bill had presumed were wrapped up, like Hollywood and now the black vote.

If Hillary is in touch with her masculine side, Barry is in touch with his feminine side.


 

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One of these candidates got dressed up in drag and there are photos of it.

One of these did not dress in drag.

Now, who's the girly-man?

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What sickens me is the idea that being called a feminist is considered a smear. There's too much woman-hatred and queer-fear on this side of the partisan divide, too, if you ask me.

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Clearly, Ann Coulter is the Bitch in the Bitch Slap strategy of political domination that Josh Marshall has documented so well.

Well actually, she is one of many. Speaking of which, it is a shame if Michelle Malkin is picking up the spots left open by Coulter's "firings".

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Let's just hope he doesn't get botox like Kerry did. Man, the press would have a field day with that.

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I think this is a classical 'framing' attack, as outlined by linguist George Lakoff. The Republicans are appealing to the voters who like patriarchal, 'strict father' family figures as their leaders, and so they try to frame Democrats as 'weak fathers', 'lesbian mothers', etc. NEVER MIND that GW Bush is a failure as a father, as long as the media goes along with the 'frame', ...

... it WORKS. See interesting article at http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml

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Sadly, it isn't just "gop smears". Look at Maureen Dowd, Chris Mathews, Mike Barnicle, Pat Caddell, Lawrence O'Donnell just to name a few who swoon over "manly men" according to their image of what that is.

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Let me remind you that it was Maureen Dowd of the New York Times who first called Edwards "the Breck Girl" and called Obama "Obambi" and "Scarlett O'Hara." As Somerby pointed out, she's nothing more than a cleaned up Coulter.

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Well this doesn't help - 120,000+ views:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q

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hahahahahahaha.

its only funny because he takes it so seriously.

we learned that with Kerry.

Obama has that character trait as well (remember the beach photos?), his reaction to them.

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Talk about having penis envy.

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Whiterosebuddy,

"What is it about Edwards that he may have done or said that elicited the very specific type of vile and vicious attack by Coulter and how did he become a feminized caricature in this article?"

Nothing. These are the same people that called Bill Clinton gay, Obama a stealth Muslim terroist and John Kerry a coward.

They make "black is white", "down is up" accusations because the media plays into them and everyone gets distracted.

How much media play has gone to Coulter and Rush calling Edward's names this week? Nice distraction from Walter Reed and Scooter Libby, isn't it? They don't need any other reason.

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Actually, it makes political sense for Hillary to launch an appeal to women because they're probably going to make up 60 percent of Dem primary voters, and she's seeking to make history by being the first woman president. Frankly, it's a no-brainer on her part.

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It's hard to imagine that you "like" Edwards. Your "I'm just askin' " about why Coulter would say something like this is a very transparent way of attacking Edwards. Yeh, bitchy is the right word for these comments.

"Loyalty to your country always; Loyalty to your government when it deserves it." Mark Twain

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Good point. These people all have severe "Daddy" issues. Maureen Dowd and Chris Matthews fawning over Guiliani is quite "ick" inducing.

"Loyalty to your country always; Loyalty to your government when it deserves it." Mark Twain

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Sam Seder on "Air America" did a whole hour on Maureen and her Daddy complex when it comes to Guiliani. She loves her men mean and authoritarian. This whole thread makes me want to shower.

"Loyalty to your country always; Loyalty to your government when it deserves it." Mark Twain

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It is good to be aware of how to "frame" an argument. But Lakoff did none of us Leeburals any favors with his "nurturant family" frame. Too wussy. We don't need daddies or mommies. We are brothers and sisters.
That's what Edwards gets and it scares the crap out of the Republicans. Down with Daddy. I had one and I don't need another one, thank you. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity and Sorority!
"Loyalty to your country always; Loyalty to your government when it deserves it." Mark Twain

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School yard (and marketing) tactics, nothing more than that. It puts a narrative into the field of play. Hasn't anybody codified the schoolkid options?

A) Don't give narrative opportunity to get traction
- ignore

B) In the case that it gets traction deal with it (risking giving it further traction)
- ridicule the taunt or taunter as laughable
- send your henchman out to deal with the taunter
- pick a fight with and vanquish the taunter or better-yet the gang leader of the taunter.

or C) claim this distracts from the more important narrative at stake (rarely an option in school :-(
- stay on message

What other options am I missing?

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Emasculation is probably better.  The reason Kerry was smeared as a vascillating, over-intellectualized Frenchie was to deflate his image as a war hero.  Esmasculate him

OK, I can agree with this. Males would certainly buy into that.

You seem to have gotten my point about Obama exactly backwards.  They are saying Obama is "not black enough" as a way to emasculate him because he doesn't fit the black stereotype.  The black pimp/gangsta is an ultra macho image.  The GOP, by calling Obama "not black enough" is saying that he is not macho, not gangsta, not a pimp.  He is, according to the GOP, someone like Gore or Kerry -- not quite a "woman," but certaintly an over-intellectualized, ivory tower nerd.  Not a man's man, like GW or Captain Guiliani.  Why do you think they focused so closely on that picture of Obama with his shirt off at the beach?

No, I did not get your point backwards, what you are asserting was the point of the meme 'not black enough' is backwards. The stereotype of blacks does not emasculate Obama nor does it feminize him. Rather, the point was an attempt to get the black community whose votes are crucial in Democratic races, to not vote for Obama on the basis of race. There were attempting to dissociating him from his 'blackness'. There is nothing whatsoever, feminizing, or 'womanly' about a person 'not being black enough'. So, you have this backwards. The reason they focus on the picture of Obama without his shirt is to perpetuate the Mandingo stereotype of the black male.

And plenty of women will tell you that acting like a man by being assertive or demanding or forceful automatically earns the "bitch" label.  

Anytime a woman stands up for herself, she is called a bitch, not a butch. There is waaaay more involved for a woman to go from being a bitch to being called butch.

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60 percent of Dem primary voters, and she's seeking to make history by being the first woman president. Frankly, it's a no-brainer on her part.

Identity politics is the no-brainer for Hilliary. She panders to blacks and women. It fits Hilliary. Identity poltiics are polarizing and divisive.

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Thanks for the reply

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my neighbors are starting an Obama playgroup for those with toddlers (they have three)and who support him.

discuss.

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You're right on target, owenz.

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Trashing on Edwards may make people feel better, but he's just another lightning rod for peoples' frustrations on this. Frankly, REAL men 'do the math', and can see the problems involved with continuing to be reliant on other countries for our energy. If we went for energy independence like a bunch of crazed maniacs, well, there's a real good chance there'd be no army boots in the middle east, period. I give Bush BIG props for that statement he made, "We are addicted to oil."
I mean, it was a no-brainer of a thing to say, but it was also HONEST. And, I think honesty plays a big part in what we're witnessing today, or, rather, more pointedly, a lack of it.
At any rate, if people are going to be shooting and killing each other over possession of an oilfield, it really doesn't need to be our troops in the way.

Further, I don't think you can really force democracy, I think maybe you can teach it, but no one likes having something rammed down their throats, they either pick up the concept or they don't, and they'd be more likely to pick it up, I think, if we did a lot better job of practicing it in our own country. But, now in the digital age, they read our papers too, and see the corruption, the patronage, and the lack of any real power, there, on the part of the voters, and frankly, that's a Big Problem. I heard a rap song one time, 'guns and money', something like that, anyway it is about the same thing that 'money makes the world go round', meaning that, in essence, money talks, bullshit walks, and there's NO shortage of bullshit these days. Let's have our energy independence, which will also eventually translate into getting our economic independence back, and an end to the rhetoric and endless posturing on this or that issue. Other countries need to stand up, and take issue with their own problems. If they don't/if they won't, well...

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