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Fox-Hosted Debate Effectively Dead — Richardon and Nevada Dems Pull Out

Another Democratic candidate has pulled out of the proposed Democratic debate hosted by Fox News: Bill Richardson. Markos "Kos" Moulitsas has just reported that Richardson "just called to say that he will not be doing the Fox News debate in Nevada." Richardson had previously been the only candidate to confirm he would be going to the debate in August, and John Edwards had already pulled out in response to objections by Democratic activists that Fox should not host a Democratic debate. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and other candidates have yet to say whether or not they'll attend.

Update: The Politico reports that the Nevada State Democratic Party is cancelling their involvement with the debate. Since the debate had been a joint project of Fox and the state Dems, it is now effectively dead.

Late Update: The Huffington Post adds more, reporting that the Democrats say they're pulling out because Fox News head Roger Ailes publicly joked about the Democratic candidates:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and the Nevada Democratic Party announced today that they are backing out of a Fox News-sponsored presidential debate in August following Fox President Roger Ailes's recent remarks comparing Democratic Senator Barack Obama to al Qaeda terrorist Osama Bin Laden. Fox News did not answer calls seeking reaction to the decision. Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards had already announced that he would not participate in the Fox debate. His party followed suit today, under pressure from the more than 265,000 people who signed a petition calling Fox "a mouthpiece for the Republican Party, not a legitimate news channel" and urging Nevada officials to cancel. Danny Coyle, a MoveOn.org member who serves on the Executive Board of the Carson City Democratic Central Committee, yesterday offered a resolution calling on the state party to drop Fox, and it passed overwhelmingly among the grassroots Democrats in attendance.


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Meanwhile, they're still cracking jokes about Obama and terrorism.  Good for Richardson, and even better on Edwards for showing real leadership.  Fox needs to be put in its place.

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Bingo!

Extremely excellent. Hillary and Obama surely will soon be refusing as well. Damn, Edwards. Way to lead.

There is simply no reason why Dems should debate on Fox.

 

Dissent Protects Democracy.

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More from MyDD, re: Reid:

In addition to distancing himself from the FOX decision Thursday -- "I don't like FOX News" -- the Senate Majority Leader reiterated several times that the Nevada Democratic Party is independent and not controlled by him, at one point going so far as to say "I just don't know what's going on in the party."

[edit] Duh. Did I miss that update?  The debate is off???!!!???!!!

Dissent Protects Democracy.

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And if you read through those comments over at the politico (my first time there)...who knew it was such a right wing bastion of commonsenselessness? 

Dissent Protects Democracy.

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Maybe one day Fox will actually mature into a credible fair and balanced network. Until and unless that day comes to pass, they should be dealt with at arms length.

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This is a big blow to Fox, their days of pretending to be a news organization are drawing to a close. Good job by Edwards.

Expect alot of screaming and crying on right, Fox is their security blanket, without they'd have to face the scary reality monster like everyone else.

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Fox spends many hours every day trying to raise doubts about the Democrats. A lot of it's name games, digging up already discredited dirt and hoping the viewers don't know the bogusity. There is no reason the Democrats should give Fox the opportunity to broadcast the debate.

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Fox attacks Obama See it on youtube

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Might I add they should be dealt with at arms length with a closed fist.

To be fair that Obama joke speaks more to Bush's stupidity but FOX News needs to be exposed for what they are.

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Absolutely. Too often they act like insecure punks who feel compelled to overcompensate for their deep seated feelings of inferiority.

The only way to deal with them is to bitch slap them back even harder.

I don't think it's about idea, however, for individuals with contrary points of view to appear on Fox as guests as long as they are prepared to push back on the misstatements and spin from O'Reilly and others. There has to be at least a small percentage of their audience that is susceptible to being persuaded by actual facts.

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Nah, the hell with that. They are billing themselves as THE network for the 2008 elections.
Cut them off at the knees. They are not a legit news network. Sucking up to them gets you nothing. Ask Alan Colmes.

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I am happy to see Blogtopia making a (positive) difference, once again.

Just say Naux to Faux!

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Roger Ailes really gave Dems cover to do this. Good for Richardson for pulling the trigger.

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One interesting thing we learned from this Nev. Dem - FOX debate.

Among the individuals asking to be nominated to run for President in 2008, we have two leaders. Edwards and Richardson.

I'll also say that those two have been my preferences anyway.

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Maybe, just maybe, the Democrats are finally developing vertebra. Now, if they can continue that evolution and grow a pair we might have some "playas" here.

Edwards, for all the grief he takes for being the most boyish looking 50-something in the race, is further along the evolutionary path than the rest of his Democratic brethren. He didn't back down from the religious right when it came to his, admittedly ill-considered, blogger acquisitions. He told the hypocritical zealots to stick it. It was the right move and Edwards was left unscathed when his two bloggers graciously departed of their own accord. Following that, Edwards didn't recoil from the dreck spewed by the equine, transgender spokesthing from the right when it called him a "faggot." In fact, Edwards was shrewd enough to throw it up on his website and make some "Coulter-cash" from the dimwit. And then Edwards was showing the way when it should have been a no-brainer to everyone else in the party that this Faux Snooze debate was about as dumbass as you could get.

Edwards was out front immediately. He wasn't interested in a faux debate on Faux Snooze. Now Bill Richardson has awakened and has seen the light.

One question: what's taking Obama and Clinton so f'ing long to step up and speak out about this nonsense. Why were they not 30 seconds behind Edwards when he told Faux to, in essense, kiss his rear? We don't need Dems playing the angles, we need leadership, strength, and commitment. I see it in Edwards. What Obama's and Clinton's hesitation shows me are a pair of angles-playing, consultant-driven politicians. That's not the game.

And Harry Reid, WTF were you and the Nevada Dems thinking in the first place? Jesus H. Christ where's your head? Wait, don't answer that, I'm afraid I know. You better pull it out of there and start to focus Harry. You've got work to do.

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I agree with many here, and I applaud this move. Finally.

I mean all issues aside, I think the one sure fire way for the Democrats to win in 2008 is to do something that is so rare in politics that it seems mythological: use honest, common sense. Screw the conservative vitriol and slander. Don't play it and don't play to it. Point it out. Call them out. Wave them as examples of all the things REAL Americans HATE about our politics.

There's a big reason the last Congress was rated so pitifully low in public opinion polls. And I have a secret for all you candidates our there: "pssst, those polls represented Democratic AND Republican voters." I bet half of the people who consider themselves Republicans would scream for blood if they were really shown what vile people they have representing them. Now THAT would be worth seeing. So let's talk about THAT. It would be interesting to see if the Republican party could wheel it's bloated carcass around and start being civil human beings once again. Sure, there are some religious fanatics and xenophobic border snipers out there, but I'll just bet that there's a larger majority of Republican voters that are just as sick of Washington as we are. And in that regard, I am happy to say that I agree with them.

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Bravo Edwards. A total Dem boycott is the next step in the ongoing marginalisation of Fox to its rightful place. The masquerade of an arm of the GOP as a "fair and balanced" news organisation can be further undone no other way.

Appearing on Fox in the hope of putting facts in reasoned argument is naive idiocy. You'll likely come across as a loser, a wierdo, a moral degenerate, a pussy, an atheist, a socialist, a naif, or a danger to national security. If you somehow get past that, you'll go to the top of their smear list (or, if you're a Lieberman, their guest list).

Anyway, why seek to enlighten or persuade a base audience like Fox's? If any of them still want to hear from a Dem, as opposed to jeer at a Dem, they can always switch channels.

Put Fox off its game. A Dem boycott can only make it more strident or less extreme. Either way, that's a win.

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I don't understand how a Democrat politician, candidate, or consultant who goes on Fox and stands up to one of their hosts can reasonably be thought of as "sucking up."

One need not look any further than Bill Clinton's "take no prisoners" interview with Chris Wallace to see how taking that type of adversarial position can benefit the progressive cause.

If done in that way, any Democrat (or free thinking Republican for that matter) who goes on Fox becomes the anti-Colmes.

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Let's turn this around on them. Why not buy prime time spots on the other networks that explain straight out why the Dems pulled out of the Faux News debate, complete with video clips of Ailes and Coulter, Hannity and O'Liely?

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They play gotcha like Tim Russert on steroids. You do know how that Clinton episode was described on FOX and the rightwing blogs don't you? Clinton "losing it", "flipping out", "going ballistic" etc. I'd say half of the wingnuts who heard of that incident never saw it and think "finally, someone got to him". The other half brayed about him saying he failed, he never killed Bin Laden.

They talked about it for weeks that way. I say no, don't give them the time of day. Shut them out and let Repubs pretend what they do is news.
Once they sink maybe the other cable nets will realize emulating that pathetic model is stupid.

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Obama (nor Hillary) have ever said they would attend the debate!

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Wait! Fox has a News Division now?! When did that happen?

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What's your point? I doubt if John Edwards had agreed to participate. The point is, you seize the opportunity to demonstrate your commitment to principle. The idea is to perform an act of commission, i.e., tell Faux Snooze they don't matter. Forget about the omission, or choosing to simply ignore the opportunity and letting that stand as your statement. Don't you understand? The Dems have for too long practiced the idea of "ignore it and it'll go away." But it won't go away and the average American voter - who is, I dare say, not as tuned in as anyone might think they are - needs to know that Obama and Hillary, hell, the entire Democratic Party, condemns this Republican Ministry of Information masquerading as a legitimate news organization.

Stop already with the decorum. As Hillary said, you've got to deck your enemies. The Gas and Oil Party have known that for some time, but we Democrats have always been "gentlemen" about it. While I'd like to hold on to the principle of decorum, fact is, it just doesn't work. The British found that out the hard way marching in bright red coats and in rank during our revolutionary war.

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In the era of the 24 hour news cycle, virtually every major media outlet plays "gotcha." Even so, these shows still present an opportunity for Democrats and progressives to get their message out and to fight back against the misinformation.

Of course, right wingers will distort what is said, but they are going to do that whether the interview is conducted by Sean Hannity or Keith Olbermann. Those who are so inclined will parse quotes to the point of absurdity.

The remedy to bad speech is not less speech, it's more speech.

These forces of evil are not going away. Consequently, I think the way to counteract them is to fight them head on.

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Right now on FOX's "Cashin' In" investing program they're doing a segment called "$tocks for Barack". What should Barack Obama invest in? Yuck, yuck, yuck!

(Note to Stephen Colbert: we need a new word such as truthiness to describe the kind of "news" Fox does)

If we had such a partisan outfit it would spend weeks investigating Rudy's less than savory business ventures and cronies, and then deliberately miscast what they find, whether it's nothing or not, as a smoking gun. When their findings are debunked they'd keep repeating them as accepted wisdom and try to find a way to mention it in every segment, even the weather report, until their viewing audience
had ingrained in their lizard brains that Guiliani was mob boss, not mayor of NYC.

How do you think Hillary got saddled with an impenetrable 40% negative poll rating?

Obam has said he;s boycotting FOX. Anybody who sees this trach on FOX can autommatically think "oh they just don't like him" because he's boycotting them. There's plenty of media outlets. It's time we stopped dignifying FOX.

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That is an awesome idea! That sounds like a great role for MoveOn. Just play the Robert Greenwald YouTube video.

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I'm very happy that the debate was called off, and I think the Dems need to fight back against Fox or at least expose it for what it is, but I think technically we do need to win the votes of some Fox viewers in order to keep the Congress and win the Presidency.

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I think Hillary's negative approval ratings stem from two sources:

1) The residual effect of the Arkansas Project funded by Richard Mellon Scaife to smear the Clintons from the time that Bill first announced his candidacy for president (at a time when Fox News didn't exist);

2) Based on the views of some of the posters on this site (with whom I have had spirited debates) there is a substantial segment of the left that views her negatively.

I think Obama is making a mistake. He is a sufficiently skilled advocate for his own cause to appear on Fox and bitch slap them really, really hard.

They aren't going away. We need to fight them on every available front.

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This is my point, FOX News can be best fought by ignoring them. Go on their shows and they'll simply bitchslap you for showing up, not to your face but forever afterward. Right now there's a youtube of Kucinich from last fall saying he loves FOX network to Neil Cavuto. It's obvious he's desperate for any airtime. It's moving like wildfire on the wingnut blogs. Obama is a sufficiently skilled advocate for his own cause to appear anywhere. Should he go on Rush Limbaugh's show? Hell no. He doesn't need to legitimize FOX.

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I don't think Kucinich is a serious politician. Kos has done a very good job of exposing him for what he is.

Barney Frank, otoh, was on with Cavuto and made him look like a fool.

I think that's the model that should be followed.

The difference with Limbaugh is that he would never expose himself to being confronted by a guest with equal access to a microphone. It's really not comparable to Fox, where for all their multitude of faults, an opposing view can be heard and win if it is both smart and tough.

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And when they edit the tape to cut out the smart and tough responses and manufacture pinhead arguments against the candidate for weeks afterward? They'll run a snippet of tape with no sound saying "Dem X was on with with Brit Hume the other day and said he thinks (fill in the blank with typical distorted FOX BS). What say you Judy?"

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They can do that with any news feed they get no matter who conducted the interview no matter the network.

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