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Pelosi Says Dems Will Try To Block War With Iran

Buried in today's Washington Post piece about President Bush's appearance before the Dems' annual retreat, we find this:

Pelosi told her colleagues that if it appears likely that Bush wants to take the country to war against Iran, the House would take up a bill to deny him the authority to do so, according to Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly.

We're not sure of the logistics of how such a thing might work -- please let us know if you do -- but it certainly seems noteworthy.


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It's not just noteworthy, it's about time.

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It's interesting that Pelosi is addressing this in the "if" sense. That means that Pelosi does not think of an attack on Iran as imminent. I believe she's right. Bush wants to attack Iran but is looking for Gulf of Tonkin or "Remember the Maine" moment to do so.

The most likely thing Pelosi would do would be to draw up a bill denying funding to any military operation attacking Iranian territory. To get such a bill passed though, Pelosi herself might have to rely on a signal kind of moment to coalesce public opinion against war on Iran.

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An attack on Iran is not imminent, because the UN sanctions and threat of more are having an effect. This is the biggest under-reported story right now. Iran's inflation rate is soaring with food prices tripling in the past 3 months due to several factors -- international isolation being a big one. Ahmadenijad is on the ropes with hard-line conservatives turning on him and criticizing his policies. Iran's regime is actually quite fragile, and the clerics are worried about an economic meltdown leading to a political one.

It's likely that we will see Iran make some sort of face-saving move but agree to suspend enrichment for further talks. The wildcard is how the other players will respond. If the UN Council sticks to it's guns, Iran will back down -- they don't have a choice.

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Yeah which is exactly why we expect the boy king to do wrong thing before the Iranians hand him a political victory. In his eyes taking yes for answer is less preferable than taking boom.

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Bush is not a master of subtle policy moves. Does no one recall that it was clear for a good 18 months prior to the illegal, immoral invasion of Iraq what he wanted to do and was preparing for? In this case, Iran, it is also quite clear he intends to widen the disaster he has created in Iraq to include Iran. The administration will not come to Congress for any sort of "permission" slip to do so. It will argue, and rightly so, that the blank check Congress gave him in October 2002 allows him to engage the military forces of the United States wherever and whenever he deems necessary throughout the middle east. Pelosi will have the power to stop nothing that Bush does militarily against Iran, short of defunding the entire operation, and will not even have any powerful symbolic means of curtailing his madness. Unwilling and unable to admit their responsibility for the disasterous war in Iraq, the neocons (Bush included)have Iran as their scapegoat in classic Cold War style they will create the provocation they need and then attack at will, justifying their ill-advised attack on Iran by pointing to the provocation they created.

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So far Bush has outwitted the Democrats at every turn when its comes to keeping the "surge" going this isn't a good omen for the Democrats; being out-manuevered by a simpleton with a 30 something approval rating.

The problem with Pelosi's strategy is this: its passive and not pro-active. She is in effect giving initiative to Bush and has put herself in a reactive position once Bush starts the conflict. So if there is a Gulf of Tonkin incident as some predict, chances are Pelosi won't have a chance to engage congress without blood and life having been spilled. Which makes it politically much harder to shut Bush's Iran adventure down.

Very dangerous IMO.

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Iran will be a disaster that makes Iraq look like a picnic...andit don't look like a picnic from here. I hope Pelosi and the other Dems understand that this is THE critical issue for them. It will notdo to work on excuses. If Bush has to be carried out of office sedated and in a straight-jacket, this must be done rather than another stupid meaningless avoidable military confrontation.

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Why can't the Democrats get out ahead of this threat!?

Our "leaders" in Congress should leap-frog over the administration on this and every other issue which the Bushies have been steam-rolling over our constitution.
Nancy Pelosi "... told her colleagues that if it appears likely that Bush wants to take the country to war against Iran, the House would take up a bill to deny him the authority to do so,...."

Bill-schmill. Look at how long this "nonbinding resolution" is taking. They should start NOW to tie Bush's hands before he hits Iran. After will be too late.

As the mother of several kids, she should know that you baby-proof the house FIRST, before the kids get themselves into trouble. (Sorry, I'm so steamed that I can't find a better analogy.)
What keeps the "leaders" from seeing that they need to do their own form of preemptive action?!?

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"IF it appears likely...?" Hello-oo-o? Of course Cheney is planning a war with Iran. The buildup of lies and deceit about the Iranian role in Iraq (and why in the world Iran would arm Sunni insurgents, as the Bushies contend, is beyond imagining) and the Iranian "nuclear program" parallels precisely the buildup of lies and deceit preceding the Iraqi invasion, right down to the pious expressions of desire for a "peaceful outcome."

These people (Bush, Cheney, and the neocon cabal) believe only in war. The neocons have planned the wars against Iraq, Iran, and Syria since the mid-90s, and they're not going to let a few little things like an overwhelmed military, national bankruptcy, and near-zero popular support stop them. War is all they believe in, all they want, and all they know how to do--and of course we're seeing they really only know how to start wars, not how to win them.

I'm sure Pelosi knows all this, so her pronouncement is puzzlingly disingenuous. If she really wants to stop the inevitable attack against Iran, now is the time. Cheney's loosening the cork on the war genie's bottle right now, and once the genie's out, Pelosi wan't be able to get him back in.

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Wake up! We've already attacked Iran. The assault and kidnapping of Iranian consular personnel in Kurdistan is by definition an attack on Iranian territory. Cheney and Bush are determined to foment a war with Iran, partly as a political ploy to distract from their failure in Iraq, and partly because it is a key element of the 10 year old neocon war plan for the region.

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"Bush wants to attack Iran but is looking for Gulf of Tonkin or "Remember the Maine" moment to do so."

He's "looking" for such an incident? If you'll recall, the Tonkin incident (at least) was cooked up by the US to give LBJ an excuse for getting a blank check for escalation in Vietnam. Bush isn't going to wait for Iran to give him an excuse. He'll just create one, and he prbably won't even bother to make it as convincing as the Tonkin fraud. The attack against Iran is a done deal; it's part of the neocon war plan for the region, and they're gonna do it when they want, no matter what Iran does.

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I think you, and Josh, are being a bit hard on Pelosi. This declaration is her first move, the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE coming out against escalation with Iran is a significant political deterent. On the the other hand if the Bushies manufacture an "incident," constitutionally there is no resolution before or after the "incident" happened that could prevent him from sending in the tomahawks.

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I think you, and Josh, are being a bit hard on Pelosi. This declaration is her first move, the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE coming out against escalation with Iran is a significant political deterent. On the the other hand if the Bushies manufacture an "incident," constitutionally there is no resolution before or after the "incident" happened that could prevent him from sending in the tomahawks.

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Long, by your definition Iran has already attacked us as well -- in the form of aid, training, and orders for attacks on our troops. Let's not lose sight of the fact that Bush has 0 political capital left for another major foreign adventure. With GOP's defecting now on Iraq -- an attack on Iran could trigger an all-out Congressional revolt. Whatever Bush wants to do -- this is the reality he has to work with. Plus, they've still got a long way to go, before the UN track is played out. I stand by my earlier post.

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Why, what evidence do you have for saying Iran has aided, trained, and issued orders for attacks on US troops? They haven't. That's a Bush/Cheney lie. Why are you spewing it?

Cheney WILL attack Iran, even more directly than he already has. As for the "UN track" playing itself out, it's irrelevant if the excuse given is the very one you give--the false assertion that Iran has "attacked" US troops.

As for the supposed "reality" of "a Congressional revolt" deterring Cheney, this is a fantasy. What administration has shown more contempt for Congress? And it's not undeserved. Once Cheney DOES attack Iran, what's Congress going to do? Pass a non-binding resolution? Cheney sees himself as impeachment-proof, and he's going to do what he wants no matter what. And what he wants is more war.

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My evidence comes from multiple sources, including friends in country and it's all over the internet from journalists reporting there. Iran is heavily involved in Iraq. Think about it -- they've been caught red-handed last week in Gaza. Nasrallah from Hezbollah admitted publicly for the first time that their arms come from Iran. Does it make sense that Iran would be heavily involved in these areas and not their next-door-neighbor trying to influence events? Do your homework, Tom. Your position is way over-the-top and based more on emotion than fact.

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Your evidence that Iran is arming insurgents in Iraq and giving orders to attack US troops is that they've "been caught red-handed in Gaza."? Sorry. You clearly have no evidence, nor do Iraqi and US military intelligence services, who have both repeatedly cancelled press conferences in recent weeks after promising to present such evidence. It is YOUR position that is based on supposition, rumor, and inference, not on facts.

And why shoudn't Iran be "heavily involved" in Iraq? (And since when is "involvement" the same as "ordering attacks" on US troops?) They are natural allies, neighboring Shiite states, have recently signed a far-reaching trade agreement, and many of the Iraqi religious leaders spent many years in Iran as refugees from Saddam. They are as natural allies as the US and Canada.

It's you who need to do some homework and try relying on what's known, instead of the bullshit peddled by a few hyperventilating Judy Miller-type right wing journalistas in the service of the Cheney propaganda machine.

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I'll give this one more try. Read the top of my post again. I actually read the reports coming out of Iraq, including interviews with Iraqi's. They are talking about Iranian interference on a daily basis. Also, I've got firsthand accounts from buddies in an air-vac unit.

The Gaza reference was an appeal to logic. If they are meddling in Gaza and Lebanon (without a doubt), what are the chances they are leaving Iraq alone? You will find that people are more accepting of your position if you approach them with a little more respect.

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I don't disrespect you. It's not an insult to be asked for the source of the knowledge you claim to have. "Reports" from whom? Can you direct me to some? Where are these "interviews with Iraqis" published? I'd be happy to read them. So far, you just mention them vaguely and refuse to give a specific reference. I'm left to assume they're on the same level as the reports and interviews we had before the Iraq invasion, about Saddam's WMDs and hunt for African yellowcake.

Your buddies have seen Iranians directing insurgent groups? They've been fired upon by Iranians? They've seen convoys of arms coming out of Iran? What "interference" did they see? Throw me a bone here!

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