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Kennedy Against The Surge: Who Made These Pro-Surge Comments?

Senator Ted Kennedy just gave a forceful speech against escalation in Iraq. He quoted an unnamed American official as follows:

"The big problem is to get territory and to keep it. You could get it today, and it'll be gone next week. That is the problem. You have to have enough people to clear it, enough people to preserve what you have done."

Kennedy then asks: Who said that?

Was it President Bush? One of his pro-escalation generals? Watch the YouTube below and find out.


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LBJ = Bush

New Rule: No more Texas Presidents.

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At least no more Bush presidents.

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To Greg Sargent:
"Watch the YouTube and find out." huh?
Cute, real cute...you try watching videos with a 26.4Kbps dial-up connection, and see how you like guessing games when the answer could have been provided.
Some of us can't get even middling-speed dial-up, let alone affordable broadband, or afford satellite Internet. Your reliance on a video clip seems elitist to one unserved by up-to-date technology.

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wingunt

LOL!!1on11 Chappaquiddick!! Teddy is unhinged; he's probably drunk.

/wingnut

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If he told you, it would have spoiled the surprise when seeing Kennedy's comments.

And I don't think it's "elitist" to ask people to watch a video. If you haven't heard, YouTube's all the rage.

If we took a poll of this blog, my guess would be 80% are using something faster than dial-up speed. Here's a recent report from Pew:

Adoption of high-speed internet at home grew twice as fast in the year prior to March 2006 than in the same time frame from 2004 to 2005. Middle-income Americans accounted for much of the increase, along with African Americans and new internet users coming online with broadband at home. At the end of March 2006, 42% of Americans had high-speed at home, up from 30% in March 2005, or a 40% increase. And 48 million Americans -- mostly those with high-speed at home -- have posted content to the internet.

I do understand the digital divide is a real issue, but it's quickly closing.

Alternatively, you could have just nicely asked for someone here to tell you the answer, instead of being all crankypants. 

It was LBJ, by the way... 

And since the video was from CNN, you can probably read the entire clip at their transripts page, here

Dissent Protects Democracy.

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I'm another dial up so don't watch video, it just agggravates me.

My point however is not the dialup but doing a tease. This is a blog to convey thoughts, not a tv show trying to draw in viewers with a tease. My preference -- give us a text gist of the Kenndey message and then provide the video for those who want to hear from Kennedy himself. I don't think that is too much to ask.

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OK, perhaps the transcript along with the video would have been better.

Maybe I'm the one being a crankypants? 

Dissent Protects Democracy.

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In this instance, he's correct.

Tom

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I'm with janderson and irishkg on both counts. I'm pretty stunned that any progressive would brush off the 20 percent of us (and I suspect it's more than that but don't know for sure) who aren't on broadband. It's bad enough that so much of our culture is now inaccessible to people without home Internet, but to happily dismiss the folks who can't afford or simply don't have access to a high-speed connection? Wow. Anybody with an income less than $50K or so, or who lives and works in rural America, just forget it. The progressive movement doesn't need or want you. Hell of a message.

Listen, not everybody lives in the suburbs with a nice income. I recently moved from the Boston suburbs to rural Vermont, and outside Vermont's bigger "cities" (all of which combined have fewer people than the suburban "town" I used to live in), There. Is. No. Broadband. I'm extremely lucky that the quirky little local telco that serves my tiny farming town offers DSL, but it's hardly something anybody would recognize as "high-speed."

And I wholeheartedly share the irritation with this kind of tease in blog posts or anywhere else. Yuck.

Greg, I love you. Go thou and sin no more!

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TPM and some other blogs are increasingly using YouTube clips without transcripts. To make clear why I'm unhappy about this trend, I loaded this clip so I could watch it. It took 17 minutes! I don't watch much video at that rate.

irishkg gets it: "My point however is not the dialup but doing a tease."

Like irish, I'm used to forgoing the video that users with better service enjoy, but yes, it did make me cranky to read words that meant to me "here's what you could know if you only had a decent Internet connection." As I said, the answer could have been provided.

cscs said: "I do understand the digital divide is a real issue, but it's quickly closing."
Here's a report from small-town New Mexico: The divide hasn't closed here in six years, and the phone company says they have no plans to offer DSL or improve the line I'm on (it's good enough for voice, and that's all they promise).

So figures on expansion of high-speed Internet don't cheer me, and I still think it's elitist (undemocratic might be a better word) when content is posted in a way that is not easily accessible by those of us on the wrong side of the digital divide. I don't like the solution that I should have to go look for a transcript somewhere else or ask someone for the answer (but thank you, cscs).

That said, I've made my gripe about the video clip trend.

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I was going to shut up, but I just read jstein's comment and want to say thanks for explaining it so well.

The phone company doesn't offer DSL here, all they did was offer to punch my TS card.
For young folks, that's an old expression meaning to brush off a complaint, as in "You don't like it..here, I'll punch your TS (for Tough Sh*t) card for you."

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Molly Ivins excepted.

Tom

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Excellent rule.

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You just live in world that is all higher tech.  Not a sign of crankiness. Just a sign that you don't have the universal Bill Clinton "I feel your pain" skills.

No requirement for a transcript, unless one is easily available. A text synopsis would be fine.

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True.

The problem is the Bush family and the conservative movement. They aren't the same.

The dangerous Bushes are all in Florida today. And the conservative movement is a Southern phenomonon.

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Also to Greg

And some of us who do have broadband don't like wasting the time that it takes to watch a video.

Want to provide a surprise? Put the teaser above the fold and the surprise below the fold.

OK?

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Happily dismiss? Who happily dismissed you?

"Anybody with an income less than $50K or so, or who lives and works in rural America, just forget it. The progressive movement doesn't need or want you. Hell of a message."

Oof. I didn't realize this one post by this one man represented the feelings of an entire movement. This post wasn't written in spanish, so I guess the progressives don't want the hispanic vote either.

80/20 rule comes to mind...

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Another user wanting to vote on a teaser that requires high speed to read. Thanks to the poster who gave the answer. It was frustrating to read the article, make the jump and realize they weren't going to tell me. Sure I could go somehwere else for the transcript. But hey, I *like* this place! ;) (Got my TS card punched when they told me *I* had to buy the booster for $14K if I wanted DSL! I had to be grateful just for getting a short in the line fixed (you can still talk, can't you?) so that I could move up from 8kbps up to 26kbps.) One of the things I love about this site is its fast loading time because they are low on graphics. Sweet Irony.

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Somebody send this whole thread to Dick Durbin. I think he's big on universal broadband, especially seeing as he's from downstate Illinois. Chances are
he'll have some legislation written up by March.

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