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Rudy Jabs At McCain; Fudges His Position On Iraq

Via Ben Smith, it looks as if Rudy Giuliani took a jab at John McCain in an interview that's passed entirely unnoticed -- a gentle jab, yes, but a jab nonetheless. In a Q&A with Dennis Prager (the same one who attacked Keith Ellison recently for being a Muslim), Giuliani was asked how he compared to John McCain. His answer:

"I mean, John and I have pretty much the same view on the war, as best I can tell. I mean, I think he is...it may be that I'm more firmly committed to tax cutting than he is, although he has vote for some tax cuts. He hasn't voted for others."

It's interesting to note that Giuliani has begun to draw differences between himself and McCain on the all-important GOP primary issue of taxes. But something else jumps out about the interview as well.

Specifically, it's interesting that Giuliani says he has "pretty much the same view on the war" as McCain. Does that mean he supports sending more troops to Iraq, as McCain does?

Unclear. Here's what Giuliani said elsewhere in the interview, when he elaborated a bit on his Iraq views:

I think...I don't think we should leave Iraq, certainly not under the present situation that Iraq is in, and with the consequences that would flow from leaving Iraq. I think this is a question of if...if we were to walk out of Iraq, it would satisfy a certain degree of public opinion right now, and I think within six months or a year, the people who made that decision would be very much...would regret it, and I think the American people would, because the terrorists understand how important Iraq is. They are putting tremendous resources into defeating us in Iraq. If they defeat us in Iraq, Iran all of a sudden has a very established strong neighbor that's an ally. You have a place that can be a breeding ground of terrorism. And the reality is, it will make the terrorist movement that much stronger. And I think that we have to figure out, as the President is doing now, I think in a very deliberate way, what's a better strategy, how do we succeed in Iraq, what can we learn from the mistakes we may have made, and then as we go forward, do a better job of creating a stable situation in Iraq. But the idea of leaving Iraq, I think, is a terrible mistake.

It's very clear from this interview, I think, that Giuliani and his people haven't thought through just what his answers to the inevitable Iraq questions will be. On the one hand, he says we need a better strategy than the current one being pursued by President Bush. On the other, he says, Bush is already thinking through those new and improved strategies, whatever they'll prove to be. If Giuliani knows what his own position on Iraq is, he didn't reveal it here, beyond vaguely committing himself to an extended stay for the troops.

Indeed, this reveals yet again how strikingly Giuliani's 9/11 magic carpet is both a blessing and a curse. It has of course allowed him to float above any kind of real scrutiny thus far. But it's also delayed the point at which Giuliani has to account for his positions on issues. Pretty soon Giuliani will be asked to, you know, state his actual positions on some very controversial things.

He won't be able to get away with saying that he has "pretty much" the same view on Iraq as McCain, "as best as I can tell." He won't be able to get away with mush like the meaningless pseudo-criticism he directed at McCain on taxes. How will he do when he's required to give real answers? Again, unclear.

However he does manage it, one thing is clear: Giuliani's inevitable bump-down from being a fuzzily idolized 9/11 hero to a candidate with actual positions on difficult questions will prove to be one of the more interesting sub-narratives in Campaign 2008. It definitely bears watching.


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Here's a quick summary of that idol-to-candidate bump-down narrative: Rudy will deliver two or three lyrical, idealistic, inspired speeches which appeal to moderates and some conservatives. He's a good speaker, he'll have some good writers, and one or two of them will get something good past the communications director.

But for each of these "great leader" moments, Giuliani will have two or three embarrassing, and probably racist gaffes. The first ones will go unnoticed, or won't be recorded electronically for repetition on the cable networks. But as the race gets more serious and Rudy gets flustered when talking about unfamiliar topics (farm policy, energy, NATO, Ohio, etc.), he'll have more chances to mess up or attack a questioner.

Rudy is best at authoritarian bluster, but usually has a tin ear for popular sentiment - i.e. "Freedom is about authority." After the September 11th attacks, Americans wanted to be comforted by authority figures and this happens to fit Giuliani's style. But the mood of the country has changed quite a bit since then. Rudy's primary opponents will not have to try too hard to paint him as a liberal, occasionally successful mayor and nothing more.

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NEWSFLASH: Giuliani has no idea what's happening in Iraq and Iran! In this interview, he makes a HUGE GAFFE!!

Giuliani said, "the terrorists understand how important Iraq is. They are putting tremendous resources into defeating us in Iraq. If they defeat us in Iraq, Iran all of a sudden has a very established strong neighbor that's an ally."

The "terrorists" in Iraq are a few foreigners and Iraqi Sunnis who may have links to al Qaeda, but they are NOT friendly with Iran. If they somehow took over Iraq after we withdrew (an extremely unlikely scenario), they would certainly NOT align themselves with Iran.

Regardless of what we do in Iraq, the Shiites have already allied themselves with Iran and will continue to do so. Maliki, Sadr and his Mahdi army, and the Shiite death squads have Iranian connections.

We cannot elect Giuliani. He has no clue what's going on in Iraq beyond meaningless sloganeering. George W. Bush might understand what's going on in Iraq better than Giuliani shows here, and that's really saying something. John McCain may be choosing to be Strong and Wrong, which is also totally despicable, but at least he seems to have a clue and doesn't make such basic JV mistakes.

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Senator McCain is an utter disgrace and the calls for more troops amounts to desertion and dereliction of duty. He has decided to out do the Demagogue in Chief and position himself as the front runner with the neocons at the expense of the lives and well being of US troops. It’s just a matter of time that those who oppose troop increases are aiding abetting the terrorists, right John?

Cynicism comes with politics. But it is one think to do a 360 on gays and abortion (Romney proves anyone can gain traction with extremists as long as they are convinced of the new found commitment to “values”). In McCain’s case however, he is willing to have more troops killed and maimed if it serves to lock up his front runner status.

SHAME ON MCCAIN.

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"How will he do when he's required to give real answers?"

Not to sound too cynical, but who will ask him a real question?

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I don't know how many here were New Yorkers under Rudy's Reign, but let me tell you this guy is an absolute crackpot. The stories of his insane tirades and tactics is almost never-ending.

He was known to position undercover police in buildings' doorways up in the Bronx and Harlem (black neighborhoods). These police officers would then ask passers-by for assistance and arrest them for trespassing when they entered the building to help. Rudy put this one out there to up his arrest record.

When a pet owner (ferret) was alarmed at Rudy's mission to ban ferrets in NYC (personal prejudice?) he called in to Rudy's radio show and asked why he was targeting the poor ferret. Well, Rudy started screaming at him and called him "an unnatural ferret lover" and other hilarious idiot rants.

I believe that Greg Sargent was actually writing for the New York Observer at the time, stationed in City Hall on 'Rudy Watch'. Maybe he could bring even more great stuff to mind.

Anyway, I am a firm believer that once Rudy is subject to the scrutiny of a Federal campaign he will show himself to be the drooling crazy he really is and be laughed off the podium before we even get through 2007.

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