Lol, isn't this the same Dick Morris who said several days ago he'd leave the country if Hillary got elected?

As the old song used to have it:

"Be kind to our web-footed friends, for a duck could be somebody's mother."

Disregarding the distracting maternal irrelevancies surrounding this particular duckspeaking, irresolute irrelevancy, I've got my own takes on Senator You-Know-Her in several different verse formats. I think they just about cover whatever about the subject deserves covering. Taking only two out of many, just consider "Buffaloed Girl" and "Maybe or Maybe Not" as typical:

"Buffaloed Girl" (somewhat after the traditional song of a similar name)

Buffaloed girl, won't you come out tonight?
Bask in your fright; hide in plain sight.
Buffaloed girl don't you put up a fight;
Just dance to the right with the goons!

Buffaloed girl, don't you burn any flags;
Marry some fags; count body bags.
Buffaloed girl, wrapped in riches not rags,
Just keep raking in those doubloons!

Buffaloed girl, send our troops to Iraq!
Then leave them there! Don't bring them back!
Buffaloed girl, cover George Bush's back,
And scrape up a few more platoons!

Buffaloed girl, just stay out of the fray.
Keep your mouth shut! Keep making hay!
Buffaloed girl, while the cat is away
Just keep playing mice with buffoons.

Buffaloed girl, don’t you hear the troops cry?
Wounded for wrongs; dead for a lie
Buffaloed girl, look in everyone’s eye
And then soil your own pantaloons

Buffaloed girl, under Lieberman’s wing
Saving his job, that's the main thing
Buffaloed girl, you and Holy Joe sing
The duet of right-wing spittoons

Buffaloed girl, rail at video games
Focus group that; spout the right frames
Buffaloed girl, don’t you name any names
Just save children from their cartoons

Buffaloed girl, take a “listening” tour
If you don’t know; if you’re not sure
Buffaloed girl, voters like their fake “pure”
Like war debt that simply balloons

Buffaloed girl, when it counted you hid
Don’t try to lie. That’s what you did
Buffaloed girl, Dubya made you his kid
When you bought the crap that he croons

Buffaloed girl, your irrelevance mounts
Even in small, measured amounts
If “it” takes a village, by all your accounts
Then take “it” to Mars and its moons

Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright 2006

"Maybe or Maybe Not"
A poem insearch of New York Senator You-Know-Her (With apologies to Rudyard Kipling who wrote "If")

If you would lose your head when others wouldn’t
And let polls do your thinking when you won’t,
If you could trust George Bush when wise men couldn’t
But still excuse his lying when they don’t,
If you can wait for someone else to lead us,
And being led yourself, follow behind,
And, living large, dine with the ones who bleed us,
Yet never seem to pay us any mind;

If you’re content to make George Bush your master,
If you can slink away to his estate;
If you can turn Triumph into Disaster
And treat Joe Lieberman as your blind date;
If you can bear to hear the lies you've spoken
Straightened by truth to make you look the fool,
Or watch what former Democrats built broken,
While right-wing cynics use you as their tool;

If you can make one heap of all our army
And risk their lives on one throw of the dice,
And lose, and cover up by speaking smarmy
And blame somebody else by talking nice;
If you can show no heart or nerve or sinew
Yet serve your own self even as you flee,
And so put out when there is nothing in you
Except the sign you wear which says: "Kick me!"

It could be that someone will come to teach you
Some braver soul, perhaps, will show the way
Maybe an errant vertebra will reach you
Perhaps your spine will stiffen one fine day
You may, perhaps, or maybe you won’t, either
Perhaps you’ll skitter further to the right
Like other chicken hawks, you need a breather
Before the next time that you take to flight

With luck, we won’t lose more than three each day now
Perhaps only a dozen died this week
It could be you’ve found some cool way to say, “Wow!
Just look at all that ‘Victory’ we seek!”
You could have chanced to find some Chinese money
To borrow from our children for your war
Maybe you’ll visit good King George, your honey,
And pledge your party as his loyal whore

You and the press have sure played Rip Van Winkle
And gone to sleep to wake up out to lunch
While vampires on our “values” loudly sprinkle
Invective while continuing to munch
Yet still you quake and quiver at the vision
Of greedy bats out after our last dime
Upon our necks they make a new incision
While you prevaricate and stall for time

While Cindy Sheehan shows true grit you wobble
And, like the wildebeest, hide in the herd
Content to let the lion chew and gobble
On others’ children – all without a word
Perhaps you’ll dodge a vote and so we’ll stay in
Most likely you’ll decry some burning flags
While soldiers die you slither on your way in
To Senate chambers famed for bogus gags

No doubt you’ll raise more funds to sell your virtue,
And kneel for kings to lose the common touch,
While only friends but not your foes desert you;
Because you’ve asked too little for so much,
You’ll likely fill the unforgiving hour
With only sixty seconds' worth of work,
And still expect the Earth for you to flower,
Which maybe will not happen now, you jerk!

Michael Mury, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright 2005

There. That ought to do it for starters. Take that, Dick Morris, for letting some toe sucking cost you your job. Take that, Bawl and Pillory, for letting some ... (well, you get the picture) ... cost you your co-presidency. We need someone else and better.

Dick. Few people have been so aptly named.

hooo, hummmm. Rice and Albright weren't that exceptional, so why Hillary?

McCain ( Obama ) , hooo hummm. Dubya wasn't that exceptional so why..............? (enter male pol of your choice).

The woman remark was indeed ghastly, as mcs observes. But hmm, UN sanctions? Our ambassador's supporting them? Oh, I almost forget that a previous admnistration actually accepted the legitimacy of the UN. Between Bolton and the Concert of Democracies here, I'd almost forgotten.

John

http://www.haberarts.com/

Thank you Hoppy. Just one more example how the "media" can turn anyone into a devil (or a fool or an idiot or ...) just by taking their words out of context.

If kidnappers kill their hostages, who is responsible? The kidnappers? or any authorities who refused to yield to the )perhaps outrageous) demands?

I am 100% committed to getting the 2008 Democratic Candidate for President elected.  His/her name is of little significance  

 Hoppy in Sacramento

As far as I know, John Dean is a Republican, although not a Bush supporter, and I haven't heard anything about him running for the Presidency.

In America the President will be either a Republican or a Democrat, for as far in the future as my crystal ball can see.  So, satisfying as it may be, voting for a candidate who is from neither party is just a self satisfying act.  And, enough voters chose that path in 2000 that about a half million people in the world, including about 6000 Americans, died as a result.  Then, there is Katrina.....etc.  When I am offered Coffee or Tea, Lemonade is not a good choice.

Hoppy in Sacramento

It was stupid of me to name John Dean when I meant Howard, although I would prefer either of them to Hillary as the Democratic nominee.

Voting for a third-party candidate a self-satisfying act? I guess that depends whether you're thinking long term or short term. You're certainly correct in the short term. In the long term, I feel I'm sending a message. If the Dems think they can win with a right-of-center candidate, they will continue to nominate one. If they continue to get their teeth kicked in with a right-of-center candidate, perhaps they will finally figure they might as well go with a progressive.

You're right about 2000 in Florida. It was shameful. But keep two things in mind:
-- It was a right-wing Supreme Court who put the Monkey Man in office, not the electorate. Gore won both the popular vote nationwide and the Florida election.
-- The American voter re-elected Monkey Man in 2004 without Mr. Nader's help.

For some reason, the GOP doesn't find it necessary to run a wimp. They run tend to run people with real political personalities. And they win.

Since McGovern's nomination, the Dems have played the game to not-lose, so of course they usually do. The last Democrat to win in a head-to-head election was Carter. By my math, that was -- count 'em -- thirty years ago. And he won by no landslide against a guy so bland he was practically transparent, the only president never to be elected to national office, tainted by run-away inflation and a pardon of Nixon. When the GOP ran a guy who actually had a political point of view, buh-bye, Jimmy.

Coffee or tea? The "choice" is more likely to resemble strychnine versus cyanide. I'll have lemonade, please, until the Dems give me an actual choice I can live with.

Votes for Nadar did nothing to move the country or the Democratic party left. The myth that losing is good for you, because then everyone is miserable and turns against the right, is silly and counterproductive. Losing is bad for you, because bad things happen, and that's that. Bush did untold damage, and the media, with politics following it, moved right to accommodate the new powers that be. You might as well have supported the Iraq war in 2002/2003 on the grounds that it'd be such a horror that Bush would lose in 2004. 

As for 2004, I don't see what that has to do with Nadar's role in getting Bush into office. He won in 2004 because he was a wartime president, among other reasons, and not one of those reasons would have helped the GOP in 2004 if Bush hadn't already been in office.

Let's face it: if fewer than 1 percent of Nadar's supporters in Florida alone had voted for Gore, we'd have avoided Bush. And Bush's consequences for America and for progressive politics alike have been incalculable. Nadar's was the biggest political disaster in American history.  

John 

http://www.haberarts.com/

Could you, um, cite an example or two?

Jan Knaus

What legislation did Hillary Clinton introduce that criminalizes free political speech? She introduced about 500 bills during her first Senate term, but I am not aware that she is anti free speech.

If you repeat something like this enough, you can get most people to believe it.

Um, John? Hello? Nader (not Nadar) did no such thing. What part of GORE WON are you having trouble with? If Nader wasn't in the race, GORE WON. If Nader was in the race, GORE WON. Ergo, Nader had no effect on the outcome of the election. It was stolen by the Supreme Court.

By the way, I voted for Gore and I hated Nader for making it close, but I respect the people who voted for him.

As you say, marcf, we have had this conversation before. I said this last time, and I'll say it again:

I deny the existence of a "minor" free speech issue. Political speech is free or it's not. When it's not, we have McCarthyism.

And if you are asking me whether I approve of her pandering to the right-wing super-patriots, you needn't ask. No doubt about it, it was pandering. Note that she did not introduce legislation making it illegal to intimidate by burning a car on your neighbor's lawn. Intimidation is already illegal, whether it uses a flag or not.

As to political expediency, if the flag-burning amendment is so popular that 75% of the population endorses it, why has it not become the 28th Amendment? It seems that Hillary and her fellow travellers are not particularly good at achieving results, n'est-ce pas?

I didn't caricature her. She put herself to the right of Scalia.

Regardless of what you inferred, I implied no such thing; and calling me a propogandist or a caricaturist is nothing but propoganda and caricature.

You can justify her bill all you want. It was an attempt to help the right wingers understand how far she has moved in their direction.

To claim that she introduced a flag burning bill AND agrees that flag burning is political free speech implies that she suffers from either schizophrenia or extreme political dishonesty.

I don't think either of those things is true. I think she is a right-of-center politician who made a political move. We'll see if it worked.

Now you can start defending her support of the Iraq invasion.

It's a bit of a stretch, don't you think, to accuse me of "distortion" when I link one person who introduces flag-burning legislation with other people who introduce flag-burning legislation? Especially when the goal of both initiatives was to appeal to the same audience and with little possiblility of success in either case?

When we argue, you don't have to worry about my engaging in any sort of sophistic subtlety. When I mean something, I usually say it directly or with enough irony or sarcasm that my intent is quite clear. This is in contrast to Hillary's MO.

So far you have accused me of caricature, outright untruth, and distortion. Are you practicing what you accuse me of:

If you repeat something like this enough, you can get most people to believe it. Are you comfortable with that?

Let's analyze each Hillary's ethics, OK? Not each others'.