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Kerry Apologizes For Botched Iraq Joke, But Tony Snow Still Says Kerry Hasn't Apologized

John Kerry apologizes:

"I said it was a botched joke. Of course, I'm sorry about a botched joke," Kerry, who had refused to apologize on Tuesday, said on the "Imus in the Morning" radio show on MSNBC.

It'll be mighty interesting to see if that mollifies Republicans who've been claiming they "want" Kerry to apologize. Right now, Tony Snow is in his press briefing, and he seems to be saying that the Imus appearance wasn't sufficient. He's claiming Kerry didn't say "I'm sorry," and he's continuing to demand that Kerry apologize.


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Let us know if someone asks Tony about the search for the missing U.S. soldier.

Seeing as how the Bush administration is so concerned about the welfare of the troops.

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John Kerry can apologize for a botched joke, but George Bush should apologize for his botched military leadership. In fact, Bush owes the soldiers, their families, and all Americans, a blanket apology for his botched presidency. But since the Administration isn't thoughtful enough to admit error, on Tuesday voters will have their say about Bush's failures and his rubber-stamp Republican Congress.

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Screw Tony Snow...as far as I am concerned he can go "F" himself and the Faux News horse he rode in on. 

Bush should be the one apologizing for waging an illegitimate, poorly planned war of aggression that has resulted in close to 3,000 US military deaths and upward of 300,000 Iraqi civilian deaths...

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Does anyone think any apology from Kerry is going to be sufficient for Tony Snow?

Of course it won't be. So just don't do it.
 

Dissent Protects Democracy.

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Let's not forget too about the "off the books" drain - to the tune of almost $500 BILLION this war has cost. Still unknown is the cost for taking care of the 20K-ish wounded - many severly - men and women who have served our country proudly.

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Tony Snow is a vicious weasel and so are the reporters who cover him. The reporters only ask about Kerry's comments b/c they know Snow won't say anything substantive about any other topic, including the search for the missing U.S. soldier that was called off by the Iraqis.

The reporters want something, anything to write about to justify their existence covering these ridiculous fake news conferences where no news is ever made. It's embarrassing for the TV journalists who cover Snow, wasting their time, day after day.

Regardless, Snow can lie about Jehn Kerry all day, and it isn't going to make a bit of a difference. The GOP is for more of the same, while the Dems want to move us forward.

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I fully agree...thanks for adding those facts.

For me trying to wrap my brain around the level of incompetence Bush has shown as president is like trying to comprehend the actual numeric value of infinity...

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The other issue is what is going to get the media to shut up about it?

It's hard to say since it's a baffling non-story in the first place. They apparently just love to invite GOP water carriers onto their shows to spew idiocy onto the airwaves. This makes no more sense than the coverage of Al Gore or John Kerry in 2004.

The Dems should attack the media where it counts, and suggest that they will limit access after the election to channels that push this story far more than it deserves. Cheney didn't let the NYT on his plane for far less, so don't say that it's somehow unfair.

The Dems may also pursue a divide and conquer strategy, where Pelosi, Emanuel, Reid, Obama, etc. give the best post-election interviews to the channels that stop flogging this garbage all day.

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Kerry must not apologize. He has done nothing wrong to apologize for.

He called Bush a dimwit and botched the punchline.

Bush has botched a war. He should be the one to apologize.

When will the Democrats learn? You can't appease bullies. You take them on and confront them on their lies and deceptions.

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The Dems should attack the media where it counts

An interesting idea. But I don't see how the Democrats have the discipline to make that happen. It only works for the GOP because they don't have Marshall Wittmann around to give "Democratic strategist" quotes about how horrible Democrats and liberals are to anyone who will ask. 

The more effective thing to do would be to have some unity in these situations.  

Dissent Protects Democracy.

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I'd like to know why we're not demanding Bush apologize for this statement:

"The terrorists never stop thinking of ways to harm Americans, and neither do we."

Tony Snow said, this morning, something to the effect of "if you're going to make statements in public, you have to answer to them." Fair enough. John Kerry made a statement that can be construed as an insult to our troops; George Bush made a statement that clearly indicates that he has aligned himself with the terrorists.

I want an apology from Mr. Bush.

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*We* may understand what was going on, but I'm terribly concerned that the media will flog this, Bush etc. will push it and it will distract focus from real issues. This might be Rove's October Surprise, after all. I can't condone all of the Dem ads and attacks, but on the whole, the GOP appear to have no shame in lying and smearing. And the media appear to be gullible fools...

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Okay, Kerry still doesn't get the thing about language and so on, and Tony Snow is a pompous ass.

But Bush & Co.'s comeback was that Bush & Co support the troops, etcetera. So why aren't the Democrats firing back on the cuts in the VA, on the inadequate and nonexistent equipment the troops fought/fight with, on the Halliburton group's overcharges, rotten food, etcetera, on the massive permanent bases being built around Baghdad, and so on and so forth.

Never mind defending Kerry. Attack the moral & intellectual midgets in the White House!

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What an idiot. So first he says something stupid. But so what.

Then he gets shrill about it and not apologizing. Okay, backbone, a kind of shrill girly backbone, but a backbone.

Then he apologizes, which basically amounts to an admission that the enemy was right all along, completely emasculating himself.

And now the debate is about whether his apology is sincere or real.

Which means that every single piece of high ground has been conceded, and all Kerry can do is take the beating or continue to run around like a chicken with his head cut off.

I can only assume that in two or three years time, Kerry will be assuring us that he's ready to fight back and stand tall over this issue.

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, what a pathetic loser.

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Kerry and the Democrats need to stay off TV and Radio if the subject is Kerry's faux pas. Keeping this story alive plays into the Repug's hands. They would like nothing better to do than talk about this until election day and not talk about corruption, IRAQ, poll numbers, or any of their other foul ups.

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See a tongue-in-cheek posting that employs the same GOP tactic used in relation to Senator Kerry to creatively interpret remarks made by the President in the most unfavorable manner...here:

www.thoughttheater.com

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Check the picture on Drudge. The troops seem to agree with Kerry.


The sons of the prophet are noble and bold,
and quite unaccustomed to fear.
But the bravest by far in the ranks of the Shah
was Abdul Abulbul Amir

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Democrats cannot merely emphasize Bush's mishandling of the military because doing so would be seen as skirting or sidestepping the issue at hand; namely, Kerry's comments. No matter that the GOP has been sidestepping and skirting the issues themselves.

Kerry's comments may not turn out to have a large impact at the polls, but I cannot think of a worse "botched joke." There are so many different angles the Republicans can take with that comment. What's more, this will be the primary debate between now and Tuesday. Forget Foleygate, forget Iraqi Civil War, forget Iran or North Korea. It will be about Kerry and his comments. The Democrats will be forced to spend time and money trying to correct the joke.

He may very well have snuffed out what flicker of hope he had of winning the White House in 2008.

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Kerry should just stay home. He did "enough" for the party in 2004. (Or should I say he did enought to the party . . .?)

Shorlty after I contributed to the DSCC, I received a call from Kerry's organization looking for money. When I said that I had already given, the clown started arguing with me that I needed to specifically give money to Kerry. He kept this up until I finally told him to make sure my name was removed from Kerry's call list, and that I expected that I would not hear from them again. What I should have added is that I felt the I would have been better off using the money I gave him in 04 as toilet paper. At least it would have accomplished something.

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"I sincerely apologize for misstating my point in Monday's campaign speech - and in causing confusion over my position.

In no way did I intend to demean or disgrace my fellow American veterans - who risk their lives daily, bravely, and often for reasons having nothing to do with the security and safety of either themselves or their families, but in the service of those who confuse national security with political expediency.

My intention was - then, as now, to indict an administration and its chief designees who - never having risked their OWN lives in combat or for their country, see fit to continue a failed policy that needlessly and pointlessly sacrifices our best and our brightest on the altar of political advantage and moral bankruptcy."

Simple. Quick. Under 200 words. And handles the problem truthfully. :)

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Way too simple/smart for Kerry.

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Well, if this disgraceful apology ends any hope of being in the white house race in 2008, it will have done some good.

There's a few simple words he should have used. "Get over it."

Troops in Iraq are getting attacked a thousand times a week, and these pissy little bootlickers are getting all whiny because they twist his words into something thats not properly respectful.

He shouldn't have given an inch. He should have gone right for the jugular, and challenged McCain or any incumbent Republican Senator to a debate on Iraq and let it all out.

I'm sure that they would have been eager to step up to the plate.

As it is, Kerry's thrown the game away and fallen to his knees. He's confessed to guilt that didn't exist. In doing so, he made it real.

He's handed them a club to beat him with for years, and he's helpfully added a few spikes to the club for them, and tied his arms behind his back.

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I guess this is part of the Halperin Rule being put into effect: His designated "Old Media," aka MSM or MCM*, would have to spend the last two weeks before the election proving to the right wing conservatives that they are not "liberal."

Wow. What a contretemps over nothing.

And so similar to the rage of the Repugs over Kerry mentioning that Mary Cheney was an out gay woman. Manufactured to order. Take words out of context; present as opposite of what was meant; feed to MCM and let them beat on that drum until the election ends.

*Mainstream Corporate Media

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Gay Ithacan @ 3:06 says what Kerry should say. Or perhaps Kerry should just go on with some of his better lines from the BushBoyBash part of his CA speech and then deliver the joke exactly as it was written.

Get on some of the cable newser and drop that bomb on them.

Then go into why he would include such a "joke," which, so sadly, is terribly unfunny for all the soldiers dying, being wounded physically and perhaps mentally, losing great chunks of their lives, losing the time with their families and loved ones. All because our president was uncurious, too credulous or too scheming to use the actual intel intelligently.

If the Rethugs want to make this an issue, blast 'em.

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Kerry's latest is a non-apology. There is no reason for anyone to apologize for a botched joke. He's sorry for not getting laughs! An apology is due for the slur on our military. Although this was not near as bad as his Jenjis Khan schtick.

The sons of the prophet are noble and bold,
and quite unaccustomed to fear.
But the bravest by far in the ranks of the Shah
was Abdul Abulbul Amir

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The media want big interviews with big names, and they will compete for them. If Dems take the House, Pelosi is the first female Speaker, and she will be in huge demand for interviews.

So if, say, Fox, ABC, and CNN are still running ridiculous anti-Kerry clips today, no exclusive Pelosi interviews for them. They are out of the running.

We need to play hardball.

I agree that unity would also be nice.

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Get over yourselves. Kerry already apologized and explained, but nothing will change b/c of it, thanks to media kowtowing to the GOP.

Here's the Imus transcript:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6928257/

Kerry: "See, look, this is a great volunteer Army, and the word volunteer Army means you have to be smart to get in it. They know that, everybody knows. You can't get in the military today if you're not capable and not smart. This comment couldn't have been directed at them because you can't get into the military by doing badly at school. This was directed at the people who didn't do their homework, didn't listen to history, didn't listen to their own advice, and they owe the American people an apology, now you know I’m coming back to Washington today so that I’m not a distraction because I don't want to be a distraction to these campaigns, and the point is simply they owe America an apology for this disaster in Iraq. And I hope they're going to provide it."

Imus: "See I was talking to Charles last night about this, and it was my inclination to try to defend you in this and I said, I think I know what he meant. I mean it's clear what he meant, but I--I had to acknowledge in my conversation with Charles that that's not what you said so..."

Sen. John Kerry: "Oh, of course it isn't what I said."

Imus: "Why don't you..."

Sen. John Kerry: "...I left out one word. I left out the word, us. They got us stuck, and instead of that I said, they got stuck, and their taking advantage of it--and here's what's wrong..."

Imus: "Well, why don't you apologize for the misunderstanding?"

Sen. John Kerry: "Well, I did. I said, it was a botched joke of course I'm sorry about a botched joke, you think I love botched jokes? I mean you know, it's pretty stupid. But on the other hand, here's what’s--here's what's culpable and here's what's really unconscionable; the White House knows it. They know I wasn't--you cannot get into the military today if you do badly in school, you can't do it. It wouldn't make sense. What they're saying to people doesn't make sense because it's an impossibility, but they've taken those words, just like they take words all the time, and they distort them on purpose in order to distract America from their policy. A hundred young Americans died last month. These guys don't have a policy. Dick Cheney is saying that things are--you know, going fine in Iraq, they're sitting around pretending that they've got a policy, and I think families are to be far more outraged about the fact that their kids don't have a state of the art armor. They ought to be far more outraged about the fact that they're still, years later, pursuing a strategy that just doesn't work. And these guys owe America an apology, and that's what ought to be the issue. I'm happy--you know I’m not going to go to some place that a congressman's going to get embroiled in this, because I want them to win. But I want the real issues to be the real issues, I'm not like--I'm not going to let these guys lie."

Imus: "Can you see though how, based on the interpretation of other remarks you've made in the past, that they would, and you have to recognize that particularly the Bush Administration would use this as an opportunity. I tend to agree that they know exactly what you meant, but they seized on this because they've been given this opening by this botched joke."

Sen. John Kerry: "Sure."

Imus: "Why not--why not, along with apologizing for the botched joke, at least apologize for the perception and the misunderstanding of your remarks and then move on, and please I’m just begging you."

Sen. John Kerry: "Well, I did. I said very clearly, I’ve said--obviously I am happy that they have an opportunity to be able to take something and exploit it, obviously not. I am sorry that that's happened.

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Snow says Kerry hasn't apologised enough because that would put the issue behind them, and they don't want that. They want something that they can continue to use to divert the focus from their lies, deception, malfeasance, and corruption, onto Kerry and the Democrats for the last few days of this campaign.

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There's no way Kerry could apologize enough. That's the game is played.

When he went down, that was the time for the kicking to start.

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And it was the will of his own party that he stoop to that level. Hillary Clinton was first in line (behind Tony Snow, who never leaves the head of the line) saying that he ought to apologize.

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And Bush has the nerve to lecture Kerry on the consequences of words! He goes on Rush Limbo and says "anyone in a position of leadership should know that words have consequences."

"Stay the course" anyone? Why the Dems don't throw that little gem right back into Bush's face is beyond me. There's the perfect little ad: Bush saying words have consequences followed by a montage of him saying "stay the course" a few dozen times. No narration, nothing else. That ought to do it.

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You mean Hillary Clinton potential 2008 Presidential candidate now having neatly castrated the principle front running rival?

Like I said...

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JohnW1141, I read a comment by someone, I think it was you, on the subject of the Kerry quote, posted about noon Oct 31 or Nov 1, that was one of the best takes on the matter I've seen. I posted something about the same time, and our comments were adjacent on the page. I was saying that Kerry and other Dems should take advantage of the opportunity to expand on what he actually meant, regarding the consequences of Bush et al. not doing their homework (underestimating the cost of the war by a factor of 100, not preparing for sectarian violence because they didn't know about Sunni and Shiite divisions within Islam, underestimating the number of troops needed, etc.). Your comments were similar, but more expansive and eloquent. Both comments, and maybe the entire page, have now disappeared. Mine isn't listed on my page, and yours (if in fact it was you) isn't listed on your page. Do you remember these comments, or does anyone else, and does anyone know why they've disappeared??

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Yeah. Funny how it works out sometimes. In this case, Kerry gave Hillary a wedge to drive home.

I still don't think Hillary will run. I see her being Secretary of State or some other high cabinet rank. She wouldn't win a presidential election.

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