Expert: Giuliani "Stood Up To The Terrorists"
Peter Brown, the polling director for Quinnipiac University, was just on MSNBC explaining the results of today's new Q-poll finding that Rudy Giuliani is the most popular politican in America as follows:
Well, I think because, he was America's Mayor. After 9/11, Americans know him as the man who stood up to the terrorists, at least rhetorically.
So now the Rudy myth has transmogrified: He's no longer just the leader who showed Churchillian resolve after the attacks; he actually stood up to the terrrorists. Rhetorically, that is.
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We keep hearing from the pundit class that Obama's and Edwards's lack of foreign experience could pose a problem in a presidential election campaign.
Can someone explain what foreign policy experience a mayor of New York City has?
Obviously, they have less foreign policy experience than a senator.
Why isn't that incontrovertible fact ever mentioned by any beltway insiders?
November 27, 2006 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, New York City has always had its own foreign policy.
November 27, 2006 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Peter Brown seems to freelance his opinions a lot. He embroiders upon what's in his polls. See his comments on the Lamont-Lieberman race. I find his after poll comments so questionable that it makes me question the format of his polls.
November 27, 2006 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Giuliani would be a dream candidate --
FOR THE DEMOCRATS!
Please let it be him. He has been married three times, lived with a gay man, and has some serious ethical problems. I can't imagine him getting the Republican nomination once the wingnuts get wind of these facts. He was given a free pass and glorified by the MSM after 9/11 but that should all end if he throws his hat in the ring.
Raindog
November 27, 2006 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if Mister Brown would explain to us how Rudy "stood up to the terrorists" manifested itself.
November 27, 2006 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, New York City has always had its own foreign policy.
Yeah and whatever it is it's never been the same as Red America's.
November 27, 2006 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Raindog is not the first person I have heard posit that Rudy would be a dream candidate for the Dems. Josh has said exactly that in a recent (within the past couple of weeks) post, too.
I always think that it is dangerous to underestimate the opposition. What the Republicans did last time (2000) was decide early on who would be the nominee, and that unite behind the candidate. When they do that, the facts hardly stand in their way of mythologizing their candidate. And as you may have noticed, the media has been known to adopt the Republican mantra when it is repeated often enough, facts be damned.
Everything rainguy and Josh have observed about Rudy are absolutely true. But the thing Republicans have done better than Dems in recent years is do whatever it takes to win. I know us Dems just had a major, perhaps even historic, victory in the mid-terms. But the playing field will be completely different come 2008, and my guess is that the Republicans will field the candidate who has the best chance of winning and then line up behind him.
I hope Rainguy and Josh are right. I just think it's dangerous to underestimate one's opponent.
November 27, 2006 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that in the City Charter?
November 27, 2006 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
*duplicate post deleted*
November 27, 2006 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least in my mind the main criticism of Edwards and Obama is a lack of executive experience. The presidency is an executive job and there is a good reason why many more presidents were governors than senators.
I don't think Giuliani has a snowballs chance in hell of being the nominee but at least the guy is a leader and an executive. I can envision him as a president much more that I could envision Obama and/or Edwards.
Obama has never held any executive position and has been in the senate for less than two years. He fits some nice demographics and is a feel good kind of candidate but what exactly has he accomplished? I just don't see it.
November 27, 2006 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
If foreign policy just means giving a bunch of CYA speeches after presiding over a massive failure for which you bear at least a small portion of the responsibility (putting the command center in WTC), then by all means Giuliani is well qualified.
Wikipedia also has this chestnut:
Foreign Policy Actions
In 1995, Giuliani made national headlines by ordering PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat ejected from a Lincoln Center concert held in celebration of the 50th anniversary of the founding of the United Nations. "Maybe we should wake people up to the way this terrorist is being romanticized," Giuliani said, and noted that Arafat had been implicated in the murder of American civilians and diplomatic personnel. A spokesman for the Clinton Administration stated Giuliani's actions were "an embarrassment to everyone associated with diplomacy."
November 27, 2006 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think those were the main criticisms of Kennedy and Lincoln as well.
Obama is the exception to the rule. He has leadership in spades, which you will find either by spending a few minutes in his presence or watching one of his speeches. He's not without accomplishments either, as you can find with a quick Google search.
Also, who are the great Dem candidates with Executive experience? Richardson or Vilsack?
November 27, 2006 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's probably good for his punditry sideline but bad for his ethics and professionalism.
November 27, 2006 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
THANK YOU, Raindog. I can't tell you how sick and tired I am of hearing about what a strong candidate Giuliani would be. People forget (or never knew) that on September 10, 2001, Giuliani was widely viewed in NYC as an egomaniacal bully whose political career was through.
I hesitate to put it this way, but 9/11 is the best thing that ever happened to this guy. He's a thin-skinned, vindictive and petty martinet - he'll never survive the glare and scrutiny of a campaign for national office.
BTW - you'll never hear them say this, but his successors at City Hall all know what a mess he left. That would come out too.
So if he really runs for president get yourself a big tub of popcorn and pull up a chair - it promises to be a grand display of self-destructive pyrotechnics.
November 27, 2006 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Giuliani was a calming presence after September 11. We needed that, and he filled his role very well.
But the simple fact is that his main responsibilities at that time were all in PR and stage management-- nothing related to sound decisionmaking. And he had made some extremely poor decisions about where to locate the command center.
November 27, 2006 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's such a bitch, and a corrupt one at that...
November 27, 2006 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not forget that the only reason Ghouliani rose to the occasion is because the man supposedly prepared to lead this nation in a time of crisis was busy freaking out, darting around the country in his airplane like a skittish cat, completely unsure what to do.
It's amazing how Ghouliani has become "America's Mayor" when he was fairly disliked and on his way out the door as an actual mayor here in NYC on 9/10/01.
If he does become president, the situation will have truly made this man more than any other.
November 28, 2006 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink